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ehBeth,

Thank you so much for posting that. Have you been able to find any statistics though? I haven't been able to find any. I would imagine there has to be some out there for this but I'm not finding them.

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More studies with results are referenced here ...

http://www.cdc.gov/idu/facts/PolicyFin.pdf

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I am thinking that you all have been had!

This site seems pretty clearly a joke... meant to be taken as sarcasm. This reads like a conservative version of Landover Baptist Church.

Isn't it???

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and here

http://www.nida.nih.gov/PODAT/PODAT5.html

you have to follow the references to study outcomes within these

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ebrown_p,

To be honest, at first I kind of had that thought in the back of my mind because it just couldn't be possible IMO! But I emailed them and they answered me and now they are leaving me messages on my answering machine! So, I'm thinking of calling them back and checking this out in more depth.

ehBeth,

Thanx for the link. Looking now.

Okay I am confused. Why can't I find a thing that says something like 45% of the people that go through this process don't return to active addiction or something like that? Am I just missing it?

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I don't know how you measure seriously a number of those who stay sober after a therapy in the USA, but I've never seen any figures here in Germany (and Europe) which go wider than those patients/clients who still have contact to their (first) institution.

(I only had contact with mine on a profesional basis, not as an ex-patient.)

I suppose, such an instituon as on the link will be as successfull as any other ... when addressing the right clientele as patient.

And as ehBeth says: such is known since quite some time and does indeed work very well for those who could be considered as being in best hands there.

Actually, there's neither THE king's way for everyone nor an isntituion can be called bad just because it choses alternative ways.

It's not the instituion that works, it's the patient who wants to become sober and follow another path for her/his LIFE!

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Momma Angel wrote:

The thing that gets me is they keep stressing how it is "my responsibility to see that my recovery is successful", which actually it is, but it sounds like a disclaimer or something to me.[/color]

Of course it is. If they didn't say that, people would say that SummerHouse was a failure. But they don't claim to keep you clean. They GET you clean.

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Re: An Addict's Dream or Nightmare???

Momma Angel wrote:

I was doing my Paid To Read emails this morning and I came across this site. I must admit, I'm pretty shocked. I am a recovering addict/alcoholic and I'm not sure this place would have helped me. I would have loved to have gone though! Seems they would have fed me what I was craving.

What do you think?

Quote:
Welcome to Summer House, the liberal and compassionate drug detox center. Our whole mission is to make detoxification comfortable for you! We accomplish this by giving you a liquid narcotic cocktail in reducing doses every four hours around the clock until you are clean. Our staff feels that any addict or alcoholic in need of medical detox has certainly suffered enough. WE WILL MAKE YOU COMFORTABLE! WE KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO BE DOPESICK We know the horrors of delirium tremens and drug addiction. We know what it is to really suffer. No addict or alcoholic need suffer in the stifling confines of a generic drug treatment institution where your identity is reduced to a mere number.

http://www.drugdetoxcenter.com/?source=LookSmart

What are paid to do emails?

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for the statistically minded

http://www.drugnet.net/metaview.htm#Statistics

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Just in general, don't trust anything you read by doing a paid to read emails thing. (For those who are curious, it's basically asking to have spam sent to you, and then you get a few cents per spam email you read.)

Spam is spam is spam... while the method itself can be perfectly legit (as ehBeth says, it is), that doesn't mean anything about whether THIS PLACE is legit... and it has warning flags waving from every precipice from what you've said, starting with how you learned about it.

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sozobe,

Now, that is not true in all cases. I have been doing this for about two years now. I have never received a single virus or anything that just blocking the sender didn't stop.

There are plenty of the Paid To Read sites that are bogus. There is a Paid To Read Forum that keeps up with them. I have been paid by all the ones that I am currently doing. The first time one doesn't pay me, I drop myself from their list. I do surveys also and make some money there.

It's wise to be cautious and it's very wise to realize you can't get rich doing the emails and surveys. Just a few extra bucks.

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sozobe wrote:

while the method itself can be perfectly legit (as ehBeth says, it is), that doesn't mean anything about whether THIS PLACE is legit...

I have no expertise or much of an opinion on this issue, but after reading through the thread this seems to make the most sense.

The method has apparently been around forever, and according to a bunch of people who I'm guessing know what they are talking about can work well for some.

However, this place sounds more like a joke the more you post about it, MA. (I cant believe those answers they email you!).

So:

- a good idea for anyone to stay away from this place, which does indeed sound primarily like a money-making venture, end.

- not a good idea to extrapolate that if this place is no good, then that kind of method is no good, period.

That make sense?

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Makes sense to me, Nimh. I got another call from them this afternoon while I was out. Just following up they said.

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Momma Angel wrote:

sozobe,

Now, that is not true in all cases.

I think you are talking at crosswires.

Some or many of the businesses that take part in Pay2Read may well be 'reliable' in the sense that they do indeed pay out when you take their surveys etc, and that they dont send you viruses and the like.

However, I think what Soz said is that that doesnt necessarily make them reliable businesses in their line of work (ie, detox, or making healthy yoghurt, or whatever); in fact, more likely than not, they're not.

Did i get that right?

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I understand what you are saying, Nimh. Many of the PTR sites I had first signed up on promised big bucks, blah, blah, blah. Like I said, the first time I didn't get the check I was owed, I was outta there! I think I am dealing with maybe a total of ten PTR sites right now and these have ben extremely reliable.

I deal with about 15 survey sites and they all have paid and I actually won my computer on one of them!

Oh, in case anyone is interested in doing this, DO NOT pay anybody for the site addresses, etc. I made the mistake of paying for the list of survey sites and then found out I didn't need to do that. My bad. Oh well, live and learn.

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That's what I meant, yeah.

Spam, in the sense I meant it, has nothing to do with viruses. Just that it is the kinds of "buy this amazing product now for only 10 low, low payments!!!" imprecations that most people try to avoid getting in their email inboxes. And that just like the penis enlargement promises and cheap Viagra and all the rest of it, the businesses per se are not reliable. They're trying to make a quick buck.

I'm sure that some OK ones slip through, but as a rule of thumb, spam = unreliable.

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To clarify, I'm not talking about the sites that pay you -- I'm talking about the EMAILS you get as a result, and the claims that the EMAILS make when they are trying to sell things to the reader.

Definition of spam:

spam (spăm) pronunciation n. Unsolicited e-mail, often of a commercial nature, sent indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups; junk e-mail. tr.v., spammed, spam·ming, spams. 1. To send unsolicited e-mail to. 2. To send (a message) indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups.

ww.answers.com/spam&r=67

You're soliciting it, so it's not textbook, but it's the same stuff that they send to everyone else, unsolicited.

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Sozobe,

When you sign up on these sites you click on the kinds of emails you want to receive. I have yet to receive anything you are speaking of. You get paid just to visit the site. You may have to spend a minute there but there is no pressure to buy anything.

Gotcha sozobe. They also have an option for you to get those third party emails, which I always decline. But, if you click on that box, you're right, you're gonna get a bunch!

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I've done 'em too.

What do you mean the stuff I'm speaking of? I don't mean only Viagra and penis enlargements specifically -- I mean that general category of email. Email that is trying to sell you one thing or another. Like, just for example, detox programs.

My basic point -- don't be too trusting of the stuff you read through the pay to read program. Read 'em if you want, no problem, just take everything you read with a shaker of salt.

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Sozobe,

LOL. Actually, I don't read much of what I get as a paid to read email. On certain ones you just have to click all the way through to an actual site. Usually, I'm playing some game on Pogo while I do them. I just ran across that one about Summer House and for some reason it just caught my attention. I probably couldn't tell you what half the stuff I pull up is! Laughing

Laughing

But when I first started I didn't know what third party emails were and I did get some stuff. I blocked the senders and then realized what it was. I think someone told me I had to go back and unclick it or something and after I did I was rolling.

You do have to be careful I will definitely go along with that. There were some that promised some big things and delivered nothing. The Paid To Read Forum is a good way to keep up with the scams, shams, and the real things.

The biggest check I've gotten from Paid To Read Emails was $80.00. I got $225.00 from a survey company and I got this computer from a survey company. Well, had to buy a new monitor the other day though.

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