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Dubai Ports: Shame on the Democrats!

 
 
old europe
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 11:36 am
georgeob1 wrote:
This is a manufactrued issue, put forward for political purposes by a party that has no coherent or self-consistent policy of its own, and which has already sold itself to both sides in this artificial struggle.


I agree. But what party exactly might you be talking about..?

Very Happy
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 02:37 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
Perhaps I asked for too much interpretation from you.

This is a manufactrued issue, put forward for political purposes by a party that has no coherent or self-consistent policy of its own, and which has already sold itself to both sides in this artificial struggle.


You are so sly George ... I bet that was one of your Jedi Mind Tricks wasn't it. You too smart for me alright! Say George, did you get yourself one of those cool light sabres? I was thinking you would be just about right to play with a couple of my grandsons, but they've hit their teens now, so the're probably a little old for you at this point.

Anon
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 02:42 pm
old europe wrote:
georgeob1 wrote:
This is a manufactrued issue, put forward for political purposes by a party that has no coherent or self-consistent policy of its own, and which has already sold itself to both sides in this artificial struggle.


I agree. But what party exactly might you be talking about..?

Very Happy


OE,

Exactly!! George has his own little reality he's living in ... but he's the only one that know where it is. He thinks he's Obi One Kanobi from Star Wars, but I'm afraid he's got a little close to the flame if you know what I mean :wink:

Anon
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talk72000
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2006 06:45 pm
All we need is a Lukas freak - Obie One!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 04:32 pm
Quote:
U.K. Court Allows Dubai Port Deal
Source
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 04:35 pm
Quote:
Commentary > Opinion
from the March 07, 2006 edition

Denouncing the Dubai deal won't ensure port security

Politicians' exercise in Arab bashing doesn't address the legitimate issue of port security.


By James J. Zogby



WASHINGTON - There's been a virtual frenzy with senators, congressmen, and governors jumping over one another to take the lead in bashing the Dubai port deal, the United Arab Emirates, or the Bush administration. It's all being done, critics say, in the name of national security.
But, in reality, what is taking place is nothing more than crass political posturing and an irresponsible and ill-informed attack on an Arab country that has been a strong ally of the United States.

At its essence, three factors are driving this ruckus: It's an election year, the public has a continued concern about national security, and there's an Arab country involved. Elected officials are preying on the public's fear by exploiting an Arab bogeyman. The language they've used is shameful, irresponsible, and downright false.

But in election year politics, it doesn't matter.

Because it involves an Arab country, members of Congress assume they won't be called to account for a falsehood. Smearing all things Arab remains the last acceptable form of ethnic bigotry in America.

As a result of this mind-set, the UAE, one of America's closest Middle Eastern allies in the war on terror - a country that has sent troops to fight alongside ours in Afghanistan, complied with all of our antiterrorism initiatives, and provides the largest base port for US military ships - is being called a "rogue government," an "Islamic fascist" state, and the "home of terrorists."

In the Middle East, people are scratching their heads.

If the UAE, which has stuck its neck out to support the United States, can be treated with such scorn, some ask, what's the point of being a friend of America?

It is ironic and troubling that US public diplomacy czar Karen Hughes recently was in the UAE to promote America, and that UAE and US trade teams last week entered yet another round in their talks toward establishing a free trade agreement.

Ms. Hughes must feel like packing it up and going back to Texas. If this anti-UAE campaign succeeds, there is no public diplomacy campaign that can salvage the damage. Arabs, you see - not unlike any other people - react not by what you say about yourself but by how you treat them.

Having said all this, the current exercise in Arab bashing is, in fact, nothing more than election year politicking at its worst. Democrats are feeling that President Bush is vulnerable and are piling on the criticism, while Republicans, feeling vulnerable, are joining the fray.

If it weren't so serious and dangerous, it might be comical.

We've seen scenes like this before, as congressmen and senators trip over one another on their way to the microphone, calculating just how outrageous they need to be to guarantee that their sound bite will be the one on the evening news. In this game, facts don't matter. Instead, with officials hyperventilating on their own rhetoric, exaggerations abound.

Especially disturbing is that the legitimate issue of port security has been lost in the melee.

If Congress really wanted to have a debate about port security and the failings of the current system, it would be talking about increasing funding for hiring more customs officials, beefing up our Coast Guard presence, and providing additional equipment to screen more of the containers that enter our country. This is what is needed.

Regardless of what company owns the management of some of our ports, the security issues remain in the hands of the Department of Homeland Security.

Instead of a real debate, we're given scapegoating. Instead of making us more secure, politicians engage in the exercise of isolating us more from the world and damaging our relationship with an important ally in the Middle East. They ought to be ashamed. They owe an apology not only to the UAE but also to the American people.

But since politics and shame are estranged bedfellows, I'm not holding my breath.

• James J. Zogby is president of the Arab American Institute.

©2006 Los Angeles Times.
source: Christian Science Monitor
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hamburger
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 08:16 pm
from the article quoted by walter : "Denouncing the Dubai deal won't ensure port security "

it sure won't ... but handing the operations over to the UAE corporation doesn't enhance security either .

(kep in mind that i'm posting from the 'other side of the border')

it seems to me that the american public has been told to be ever vigilant after 9/11 .
there are the various codes of alert : green , orange , red ?
so finding out that a company controlled by the UAE government will operate american ports , makes some people somewhat nervous . after all , there are stories floating around that the UAE government may have been involved with some terrorists , may have helped launder money and does not allow israeli citizens to enter their country .
i think if i were an american citizen , i might be wondering about this deal .
what didn't help was , that today a UAE government speaker said that "american citizens will have to be educated about this busines transaction' - i think the choice of the word 'educate' was not a wise one.

i think the UAE government thought that this was strictly a business deal . no doubt they thought that they were dealing not with american citizens that might have their own ideas about this deal . again , the UAE government official gave the impression that the united states government should 'educate' its citizens and they would surely be quiet and not raise any questions .

perhaps this is a good business deal , but if it is , the 'public relations" failed miserably . hbg
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 8 Mar, 2006 03:45 pm
I really have to laugh at leftists like Blueflame who, after preaching for years that we are all citizens of one world, and that bigotry is the greatest of evils, are now so intent upon proving that Arabs (in particular and in general) are untrustworthy. Could it be that Blue is most motivated by his displeasure with Bush than any personal philosophy?

Without doubt, this matter was bungled, politically, by The Administration, but that doesn't mean it's a bad deal. It will be a shame if hysterical xenophobia trumps strategic geo-politics, and good business sense.
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 07:23 am
I wonder why the same people who have been going on and on about terrorist and people with ties terrorist, ignore the links this group might have with terrorist just in the name of supporting their boy Bush? Their nationality is not important, in fact until I heard about those ties to terrorist, I had no problem with the Arab company having control of the ports. I don't think it will hurt to have it investigated further to find out if the ties are rumors or fact before approving the deal. This just seems reasonable for both sides of the issue to me.

As it is right now, I lean towards letting them have the ports unless something more concrete shows up.

Besides ain't it a law or something that they do have to it investigated for a certain amount of days?
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 09:41 am
The Bush administration may approve of the UAE takeover of the ports. However, it is apparent that members of both parties in congress do not. And unless Bush has now gained the dictatorial powers he seeks he may lose this fight.
I think he is well on the way to becoming a lame duck president.
The rats are beginning to desert his sinking ship of state.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 09:45 am
Senate Could Influence Fate of Ports Deal By ANDREW TAYLOR, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - After an election-year repudiation by a GOP-led House committee, President Bush hopes to avoid getting steamrolled in the Senate over a deal allowing a Dubai-owned company to take control of some U.S port operations.

By a 62-2 margin, the House Appropriations Committee on Wednesday voted to bar DP World, which is run by the government of Dubai in the United Arab Emirates, from holding leases or contracts at U.S. ports. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ports_security
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hamburger
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 10:34 am
is it going to be "bye, bye , dubai" ?

btw i watched the CNN/wolf blitzer special from the UAE over the last few days . the UAE sure has plenty of financial resources already , one has to wonder what they found so attractive/important about gaining in a foothold in the united states ?

(did you see the indoor skihill in the dubai shopping mall ? if the global warming continues , canada's skihills may have to be moved indoors . we should call on dubai to take on that job ; they sure have the expertise.) hbg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 10 Mar, 2006 02:24 am
Might well be that the United States is becoming a less welcoming place for investment from overseas.
New York Times:
Quote:

"We need a net inflow of capital of $3 billion a day to keep the economy afloat," said Clyde V. Prestowitz Jr., a former trade official in the Reagan administration who is president of the Economic Strategy Institute. "Yet all of the body language here is 'go away.' "
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 10 Mar, 2006 04:46 am
Re: Dubai Ports: Shame on the Democrats!
ebrown_p wrote:
The controversy over the Dubai port company is shameful political opportunism at best and demagoguic hypocricy at worst.

Why should an respected, qualified company be excluded simply because of its nationality?

This is the fear-mongering that I hate in the Republican party-- now being used by prominant Democrats Clinton and Shumer. This is a knee-jerk reaction ("Oh no, its the Arabls") with no real reason. No one has shown any reason, other than ethnicity that this company would harm security in the least.


Well said!!!
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 10 Mar, 2006 05:29 am
The kneejerking is being done out there in the red states. It started with Peter King (R) of New York's Long Island but quickly spread to Kansas.


It's what happens when a political party rests it's power on images instead of reality. The present day Republican Party, a pale imitation of it's former self, relies on image and marketing rather than substance to win elections, Family Values -Guns, Gays and God. No one should be surprised when image, (an Arab Company !?!) surpasses substance (it's just a business.) and causes a conflict amongst it's followers. They've been taught to kneejerk and kneejerk they will.

I'm sure there is a psychiatric term for conflict between pre-conceived notions and reality, though it's usually individuals who suffer from it and not whole political parties.

Note: George Bush approval rating is at 37 per cent today.

The GOP has been caught in it's own bizarroworld. Had they been using a little nuance now and again instead of their good/bad with us/against us up/down in/out philosophy, they might have had a chance to save this deal. Instead they have to cave in to the images they created and projected onto their followers. The Democrats, masters of restraint in this issue (heh, heh, heh), have let the GOP politicians puncture this deal in the face of Bush's threatened veto. Talk about a slap in the face for George. It's a win/win for the Democrats. Thanks Pete.

Joe(1046 days to go)Nation
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 10 Mar, 2006 06:03 am
Joe Nation wrote:
The kneejerking is being done out there in the red states. It started with Peter King (R) of New York's Long Island but quickly spread to Kansas.


The Republicans may have led the way in voting against the deal, but it was the Democrats who led the way in inciting the people with demagogy until the Republicans had no choice.



Joe Nation wrote:
It's a win/win for the Democrats.


Unless they can convince Halliburton to pay full price for these leases, the taxpayers are going to have to buy out the leases and give them to Halliburton.

In addition, we have managed to spit in the face of a close ally -- and one of the most moderate Arab states to boot.

The Democrats' demagogy may have resulted in a win for them, but it also resulted in a loss for America, probably a loss for the taxpayers, and probably a win for Osama.

Shame on the Democrats and their demagoguery!
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Fri 10 Mar, 2006 07:32 am
oh I don't think it's all that bad... this clever administration has a plan to deal with Osama I'm sure.... say........ does he hunt?
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 10 Mar, 2006 08:10 am
oralloy wrote:
Joe Nation wrote:
The kneejerking is being done out there in the red states. It started with Peter King (R) of New York's Long Island but quickly spread to Kansas.


The Republicans may have led the way in voting against the deal, but it was the Democrats who led the way in inciting the people with demagogy until the Republicans had no choice.



Joe Nation wrote:
It's a win/win for the Democrats.


Unless they can convince Halliburton to pay full price for these leases, the taxpayers are going to have to buy out the leases and give them to Halliburton.

In addition, we have managed to spit in the face of a close ally -- and one of the most moderate Arab states to boot.

The Democrats' demagogy may have resulted in a win for them, but it also resulted in a loss for America, probably a loss for the taxpayers, and probably a win for Osama.

Shame on the Democrats and their demagoguery!


What reality do you live in oralloy?


I just get a kick out of the claims the Dems did it. The GOP controls the Congress oralloy. The House committee voted 62-2. Only the GOP can allow something to even come to a vote. You can't blame the Dems on this one in any reality and make it stick.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Fri 10 Mar, 2006 08:32 am
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 10 Mar, 2006 08:37 am
Blueflame, are you an American?
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