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Do you think Jesus died a virgin?

 
 
maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2003 01:34 pm
CdK: Ok, fair enough.

You are interpreting differently the intent of the commandment.

I would put to you, as well, that Christ also " interpreted differently" the commandment of remembering the sabbath.

You can praise God and still put in a full 8 hours.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2003 01:39 pm
max,

Precisely my point. I have absolutely no qualm with Jesus not observing the Sabbath.

But I did not "creatively interpret" adultery. I am operating under standard dictionary definitions:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=adultery
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maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2003 02:04 pm
True enough.

I have always viewed the commandment in this context, as do many other Christians:
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We should fear and love God so that we lead a sexually pure and decent life in what we say and do, and husband and wife love and honor each other.


Of course, this is but ML's interpretation, but I feel it is a good one.
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Letty
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2003 02:08 pm
Well, Craven and Max, We could probably go on and on about whether this is true, or whether that is true from the viewpoint of the New Testament Let's not forget that Jesus was a teacher, and that is primarily what the entire thing is about ( of course I would say that). Smile

To me the main tenet that I still try to follow, is not to wound a soul, and that's about all that I can lay claim to at this point in my life. As for Jesus' sexuality, I really think that it's immaterial.

P.S. Hey, sex is great, and someone once told me that the human animal is the only species who engages in sex for pleasure.
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New Haven
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2003 02:08 pm
You're right, Steissd. Trinity meaning, 3 beings in one person. JC was God made man, on earth. But still God, none-the-less. We rarely speak of the sexuality of God, but as you know, in Jewish mysticism, we believe in the female aspect of the God-head.Shekina



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The Jewish-Kabbalistic version of Shakti; the female soul of God. The idea was the God could not be complete, whole, until he was united with her. The Kabbalists believed that it was God’s lost of his Shekina which brought about evil. From the Hebrew Shekina means "dwelling place," giving the concept that God had no "home" without her. Like her Tantric counterpart Shakti, the Sh’kina was the source of all "soul" in the universe. The Gnostic Christians of the fourth century spoke of Sh’kina as a "spirit of glory" in who Beings of Light lived, as children in their mother’s body or home. Mani referred to the Aeons of sh’kinas or female spirits of the sacred year.

The Kabbalists taught that it was essential to bring the male and female cosmic principles together once more, which could possibly be achieved through sexual magic, signifying the union of the sun (man) and the moon (woman), which was graphically expressed by the hexagram. Philosophically the Kabbalists were saying the supernal mother Shekina is manifested in the earthly mother, with whom her husband should lie on the Sabbath, because "all the six days of the week derive their blessing" from this coupling. Rabbi Eliahu di Vidas said, "Who has not experienced the force of passionate love for a woman will never attain to the love of God."

Jewish mystics claimed the "outer garment" of the Shekina is the Torah, "Holy Law." Man becomes a Bridegroom of the Torah by study, symbolized in erotic imagery. He has to court her as he would a beautiful maiden. "She begins from behind a curtain to speak words in keeping with his understanding, until very slowly insight comes to him." The Shekina as the "Indwelling One" might be compared to the Latin I-dea, or Goddess Within. "She opens the door of her hidden chamber ever so little, and for a moment reveals her face to her lover, but hides it again forthwith…He alone sees it and is drawn to her with his heart and soul and his whole being."

As man requires his Shekina for his enlightenment, so God requires his Shekina for his wisdom and creativity. This is a crucial tenet of Kabbalism. A.G.H.



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Walker, Barbara G, The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets, New York, HarperCollins, 1983, p. 932
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2003 02:08 pm
I recognize that many Christians believe that the Bible condones their view on premarital sex. As a Christian I never supported that opinion.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2003 02:10 pm
Letty wrote:

P.S. Hey, sex is great, and someone once told me that the human animal is the only species who engages in sex for pleasure.


Letty I believe that at least one animal species also has sex for pleasure but that's a whole different discussion.
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New Haven
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2003 02:13 pm
The Hebrew Bible never mentions oral sex. It does mention not spilling your "seed" on non-sterile land.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2003 02:13 pm
As to sexuality it's pretty clear on two of the three. This leads me to another thing I used to wonder about:

Is the Holy Spirit female? Or male?
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2003 02:14 pm
New Haven wrote:
The Hebrew Bible never mentions oral sex. It does mention not spilling your "seed" on non-sterile land.


Yes it does mention oral sex.
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New Haven
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2003 02:14 pm
Which perspective? Jewish or Christian?
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New Haven
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2003 02:16 pm
Where in the Hebrew Bible is oral sex mentioned?
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2003 02:17 pm
The original Hebrew is much more explicit. In translations euphemisms were adapted. In some passages it was not a navel being kissed.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2003 02:18 pm
I do not intend to look anything up. My lunch is over.
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steissd
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2003 02:20 pm
Holy Spirit cannot be male or female. The Holy Spirit is not material, but spiritual by nature.
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New Haven
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2003 02:26 pm
steissd:

You're stating the Christian perspective.
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New Haven
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2003 02:27 pm
Oral sex in the Hebrew Bible?

I've sent this question to a Rabbi. Have to wait and see, what he comes up with.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2003 03:04 pm
every son of god has a little hard luck sometimes
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2003 03:20 pm
Hmm...Mary Magdalene was a prostitute...Jesus converted her...ergo, and ladies help me on this one, Jesus must have: a. had the equipment and b. done it indeed...am I right? Very Happy
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2003 03:24 pm
The other Mary, Jesus' mom, in a secret conversation with God: "Right, so all I need to do to get my son's career on track is to just say it was a virgin birth? Okay...anything for my little bubbulah."

(All in fun, don't crucify me for my blasphemy folks)
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