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Dick Cheney May Have Been Drinking.....Google Cache Snapshot

 
 
Amigo
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 02:45 pm
A little birdie? I think we,ve had enough confusion between birds and people lately. Very Happy

Maybe Cheney will blame it on bad intelligence?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 02:57 pm
This is like dangling a steak in front of a pitbull. How long until Bush is blamed for this?
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Amigo
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 03:08 pm
He should have just been up front on this right away with local authorities and the left wing would have nothing to work with.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 03:12 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184957,00.html

Check out the picture, this one:

http://www.foxnews.com/images/193126/7_25_021506_whittington_wounds.jpg

I'm not sure how you could get such an impact pattern from 35 yards with a scatter-rifle!

Must of been a hell of a choke on that gun

Cycloptichorn


I've been wondering what choke he was using. I posted this a pattern intensity guide on another thread:

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/5870/chokegraph3mo.gif

Now one wouldn't normally use a full choke hunting quail, but I wouldn't use a 28 gauge either.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 03:14 pm
News about Cheney's hunting accident: Cover-up or overblown?

(CNN) -- What did you see when you saw the story about Vice-President Cheney's hunting accident?

If you were a comedy writer, you saw definitive proof of the existence of God.

If you hold the Bush Administration in minimum high regard, you saw enough metaphors to power a Ph.D. thesis: a reckless, inept use of force directed at the wrong target, compounded by a cover-up.

If you support the administration, you saw the press in full hysteria, "going nuts" (as a FOX News personality put it), by pounding White House spokesman Scott McClellan on the 20-plus hour delay in making the news public.

If you were me, and you heard the news that a piece of birdshot lodged in the victim's heart, you heard -- OK, I heard -- an echo of a plotline I used in a novel a decade ago: the just-elected president dies after breaking his leg, when a tiny piece of bone marrow works its way into his bloodstream, causing a fatal embolism.(Cheney shooting victim suffers 'minor heart attack')

What's so striking, I think, is how a story like this becomes an instant Rorschach test, with political predispositions substituting for inkblots. We know the meaning of this incident because we know how we feel about the vice president, or the administration, or the war in Iraq, or the press -- and therefore, we know how to judge the event.

Look, I have never hunted in my life (assuming you don't count hunting for a parking place in Manhattan). I have no more knowledge of the rules that govern a quail hunt than I do about the topography of Neptune. But the same massive level of ignorance doesn't seem to be stopping a whole lot of people from explaining why the vice president was innocent, careless, criminally negligent, or homicidal. Similarly, it seems all but impossible to separate your judgment of the White House's response -- perfectly appropriate, sloppy, or an inexcusable attempt at cover-up -- from your broader view of the president.

There are plenty of grounds on which to make out a case against the vice president's performance in office; there are plenty of examples where his easy assurances -- about weapons of mass destruction, about the way the U.S. would be greeted in Iraq -- have turned out to be dramatically wrong-headed. But I'd prefer to see those arguments stand or fall on their merits. As for the comedy writers, they're exempt from any analysis, rigorous or otherwise. Some temptations are, literally, irresistible.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 03:38 pm
The Media is a two faced whore.

Whatever bandwagon is hip, There on it.
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StSimon
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 04:10 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
A little birdie I know just told me that in the interview Cheney gave to Brit Hume, he admitted having a 'beer or two' but said it was hours before the shooting.

Really, Dick? Just a beer or two?

But, we'll have to wait and see, won't we?

Cycloptichorn


Bunch of drunks out shooting at each other, I love it! Good thing they weren't hunting with AK47's Smile
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 04:29 pm
MSNBC's Missing Paragraph Reappears; Reporter Misled By VP's Office
Last night, MSNBC scrubbed a paragraph about alcohol from an online article about Cheney's hunting accident:

Now, they've restored the paragraph, slightly reworked:

In a recorded, on-the-record phone call with NBC News, Armstrong said that beer may have been available at lunch that day. "If someone wants to help themselves to a beer," she said, "they may, but I did not see anyone do that," Armstrong says. She says she was not sure if there were beers in the coolers but wasn't ready to rule it out: "There may be a beer or two in there, but remember not everyone in the party was shooting," she told NBC News.

The story also now suggests that the White House misled MSNBC about whether Cheney had consumed alcohol. A new paragraph from the revised article:

NBC News called the vice president's office for comment four times Tuesday and Wednesday and asked whether the vice president or anyone in the hunting party had consumed any alcohol on Saturday prior to the accident. In an e-mail statement Wednesday to NBC News, the vice president's press secretary referred NBC News to the Kenedy County Sheriff's Department report on the incident.

The sheriff's report says "there was no alcoholÂ…involved in the incident." Cheney told Brit Hume that he drank beer prior to the accident.

Question: Did the White House pressure MSNBC to remove the paragraph last night?
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/15/nbc-paragraph-reappears/
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Zippo
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 04:52 pm
VIDEO: Cheney Admits To Drinking Beer Prior To Hunting Accident

The bloggs and Cycloptichorn were right.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 08:19 pm
Anybody know how many medications Cheney takes every day that warn against mixing with alcohol? A bunch I bet.
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 07:44 am
Interesting question blueflame

I am shocked that I kind of agree with McG on this being a little overblown because while the media has been focused on this admittedly newsworthy story, Cheney has been going around strong arming the GOP who formerly were against the spy program and are now backing out like the cowardly dogs they are.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 08:02 am
Well, I see all the loony stuff is neatly brought together in one thread, that helps ...

I must admit I LOLd when I read the metaphor in McG's article tho:

Quote:
a reckless, inept use of force directed at the wrong target, compounded by a cover-up.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 09:18 am
http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1048653833731_2003/03/28/binladen.jpg

This is the funniest thing I've heard in a long time. Can't you tell I'm laughing? Stupid beard always gets in the way!
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 09:27 am
I'm quite sure he is laughing at us right now, don't you think? The most powerful nation in the world, by far, and we can't catch one simple man who hides in caves.

Cycloptichorn
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 09:56 pm
Quake Radio's Will (Durst) and Willie (Brown) program managed to get a long exclusive intervew with he owner of the ranch. She ws hilarious, she related how a number of people had been shot on her ranch, that it wasn't a big deal. It really was quite amazing.
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revel
 
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Reply Sat 18 Feb, 2006 11:38 am
VP Accident Tale Filled With Discrepancies

WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney said he didn't immediately disclose his hunting accident because he wanted the confusing details to come out right. Instead, authorized accounts came out slowly ?- and often still wrong.

The result: a week of shifting blame, belatedly acknowledged beer consumption (not "zero" drinking after all) and evolving discrepancies in how the shooting happened, its aftermath and the way it was told to the nation.

"There's a reason they call this crisis management," said corporate damage-control specialist Eric Dezenhall, "and that's because it's a mess."

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BLAME

In the first days after the vice president wounded attorney Harry Whittington while shooting at quail last Saturday in Texas, blame was placed on the victim for not announcing his presence to fellow hunter Cheney.

"The vice president did everything right," Katharine Armstrong, the ranch owner approved by Cheney to disclose the accident, said Monday. Whittington, 78, should have shouted that he was rejoining the hunting group after drifting off to retrieve a downed bird. "The mistake exposed him to getting shot," she said. "It's incumbent on him. He did not do that."

The White House picked up on that theme the same day in attempting to deflect any responsibility from the vice president. "If I recall," Bush spokesman Scott McClellan said of Armstrong, "she pointed out that the protocol was not followed by Mr. Whittington, when it came to notifying the others that he was there."

The about-face came Wednesday when Cheney made his first public comment on the accident.

"It was not Harry's fault," he said. "You can't blame anybody else. I'm the guy who pulled the trigger and shot my friend."

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DRINKING

Although there is no evidence that beer impaired Cheney's judgment, initial denials that he had consumed alcohol were wrong.

"No one was drinking," Armstrong said at the outset. "No, zero, zippo." She said the hunters washed down lunch with Dr Pepper. Later, she qualified her comments and said beer might have been in the cooler but she did not think anyone drank any.

The investigating officer from the Kenedy County sheriff's department, after interviewing Whittington in the hospital, reported that the victim "explained foremost there was no alcohol during the hunt."

Authorities did not investigate the accident until the next day. The Texas Parks and Wildlife accident report, dated two days after the shooting, checked "No" on the question of whether Cheney appeared under the influence of intoxicants. It did not address whether the hunters had been drinking at all. (The report also included a diagram depicting Whittington's wounds on the wrong side of his body.)

Cheney acknowledged Wednesday, "I had a beer at lunch" several hours before the group's afternoon hunt, asserting "nobody was under the influence."

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VICTIM'S CONDITION

In the rush to assure everyone Whittington was "just fine," some important details were left out.

Initial reports had him treated at the scene, then taken by ambulance to the hospital, where in no time he was cracking jokes with the nurses. It turned out that after being taken to the emergency room of a local, small hospital, he was flown by helicopter to the intensive care unit of the larger hospital in Corpus Christi.

According to Armstrong's initial account of the accident scene: "He was talking. His eyes were open." Later, Cheney said that when he rushed up to the stricken man and talked to him, Whittington had one eye open and did not respond. He was, however, conscious.

Doctors said Tuesday that Whittington suffered a mild heart attack while in the hospital when one of the pellets migrated to his heart. He was released Friday.

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LICENSE

Cheney did not have all his hunting papers in order, as suggested by the White House and initially stated by Texas authorities.

On Sunday, a spokesman for the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department said Cheney was legally hunting with a license he bought in November. While that was true, the department's accident report the next day stated that he was in violation of a law requiring him to have an upland game bird stamp.

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DISCLOSURE

The accident raised questions about the flow of information into and out of the White House communications apparatus.

Asked why no one released news of the shooting on Saturday night, McClellan said "the vice president's office was working to make sure information got out" but that details were slow to reach Washington that evening.

Armstrong, for her part, said no one at the ranch even discussed releasing the news on Saturday.

She said her family realized Sunday morning that it would be a story and decided to call the local newspaper, the Corpus Christi Caller-Times. She said she then discussed news coverage with Cheney for the first time.

"I said, 'Mr. Vice President, this is going to be public, and I'm comfortable going to the hometown newspaper,'" she told The Associated Press. "And he said, 'You go ahead and do whatever you are comfortable doing.'"

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TELLING WASHINGTON

McClellan said President Bush was told shortly before 8 p.m. EST Saturday that Cheney had shot Whittington, less than half an hour after Bush first heard there had a been an accident of some sort involving Cheney's hunting party. Confirmation that Cheney was the shooter was obtained when deputy chief of staff Karl Rove called Armstrong, McClellan said.

However, McClellan said he didn't personally know Cheney was the shooter until the next morning, about 6 a.m. EST Sunday, when he was awakened with the news.

He said he only knew the previous evening that someone in Cheney's party had been involved in a hunting accident.

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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 18 Feb, 2006 12:05 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
Quake Radio's Will (Durst) and Willie (Brown) program managed to get a long exclusive intervew with he owner of the ranch. She ws hilarious, she related how a number of people had been shot on her ranch, that it wasn't a big deal. It really was quite amazing.

Told you so. Laughing Laughing Laughing






<I love it when that happens>
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sat 18 Feb, 2006 12:24 pm
Sheriff, deputy explain responses to Cheney shooting
By NANCY MARTINEZ
February 14, 2006

The Kenedy County Sheriff's Department feels at home with the Secret Service and the powerful people who go hunting on the Armstrong Ranch, but is out of its comfort zone with the media circus that the Dick Cheney shooting incident has attracted, the sheriff said Wednesday.

No one in the federal government has told Sheriff Ramon Salinas III and his deputies how to do their job, Salinas said. He was the one who decided not to go to the ranch to investigate until Sunday, the day after Vice President Cheney shot and wounded Austin, Texas, lawyer Harry Whittington on a quail hunt. Salinas based the decision on witness accounts and advice from people on the ranch he knows and trusts, including a former sheriff.

"Everybody's been saying there's a cover-up from the time they heard about this," he said. "That is not true."

Salinas said he was barbecuing with his family at 5:30 p.m. Saturday when he received a call from sheriff's Capt. Charles Kirk.

"He told me he heard of a possible hunting accident on Armstrong Ranch."

Minutes later, Salinas got a call from a U.S. Secret Service agent.

"He said the reason he was calling was to officially notify the sheriff's department that the vice president was involved in that shooting accident."

Soon after, Salinas said, Kirk called him from the Armstrong Ranch gate. He told him he was there with a U.S. Border Patrol agent who didn't know what was going on.

"I told him don't worry about it. I'll make a call," Salinas said.

Salinas called Ramiro Medellin Jr., a former sheriff who lives on Armstrong Ranch and works as a ranch hand. Medellin called Salinas back and confirmed the incident was an accident.

It was at this point that Salinas decided to wait until the next morning to send an officer to investigate the incident.

"We've known these people (witnesses) for years. They are honest and wouldn't call us, telling us a lie," Salinas said. "I talked to an eyewitness who said it was a definite accident. We knew Mr. Whittington was being cared for."

He told a Secret Service agent who called him that he would send Chief Deputy Gilberto San Miguel Jr. to the ranch at 8 a.m. Sunday.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sat 18 Feb, 2006 01:49 pm
Cheney was probably feeling the pressure and guilt from ducking military service, and had an episode of subconscious combat flashback.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Sun 19 Feb, 2006 08:22 am
Ramon Salinas, a regular Colombo there.
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