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The leftist brainwashing of the next generation is complete

 
 
Fedral
 
Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 05:01 pm
Students reject honor to 'Baa Baa Black Sheep' hero
Member of Marines not 'sort of person UW wanted to produce'

Lt. Col. Gregory "Pappy" Boyington during World War II (Photo: National Archives)
The University of Washington's student senate rejected a memorial for alumnus Gregory "Pappy" Boyington of "Black Sheep Squadron" fame amid concerns a military hero who shot down enemy planes was not the right kind of person to represent the school.

Student senator Jill Edwards, according to minutes of the student government's meeting last week, said she "didn't believe a member of the Marine Corps was an example of the sort of person UW wanted to produce."

Ashley Miller, another senator, argued "many monuments at UW already commemorate rich white men."

Senate member Karl Smith amended the resolution to eliminate a clause that said Boyington "was credited with destroying 26 enemy aircraft, tying the record for most aircraft destroyed by a pilot in American Uniform," for which he was awarded the Navy Cross.

Smith, according to the minutes, said "the resolution should commend Colonel Boyington's service, not his killing of others."

The senate's decision was reported first by Seattle radio talk-host Kirby Wilbur of KVI, whose listeners were "absolutely incensed," according to producer Matt Haver.

Brent Ludeman, president of the university's College Republicans, told WND in an e-mail the decision "reflects poorly on the university."

"Pappy Boyington went beyond the call of duty to serve and protect this country - he simply deserves better," Ludeman said. "Just last year, the university erected a memorial to diversity. Why can't we do the same for Pappy Boyington and others who have defended our country?"

The resolution points out Boyington, a student at the UW from 1930-34, served as a combat pilot in the 1st Squadron, American Volunteer Group - the "Flying Tigers of China" - and later as a Marine Corps combat pilot in charge of Marine Fighting Squadron 214, "The Black Sheep Squadron."

Along with the Navy Cross, Boyington was awarded the Medal of Honor by President Franklin D. Roosevelt for his heroism. He was shot down and spent 20 months in a Japanese prisoner-of-war camp.

The resolution says, "Be it resolved … [t]hat we consider Col. Gregory Boyington, United States Marine Corps, to be a prime example of the excellence that this university represents and strives to impart upon its students, and, That we desire for a memorial for Col. Boyington be commenced by the University of Washington by 11 January 2008, the twentieth anniversary of his death, which will be publicly displayed, so that all who come here in future years will know that the University of Washington produced one of this country's bravest men, and that we as a community hold this fact in the highest esteem."

Commenting on the decision, a blogger who says he met Boyington on numerous occasions at a museum and air show over the years noted the famous flyer "was no rich boy," having grown up in a struggling family in which he was forced to work hard to make it through school. The blogger, who hosts the website Paradosis, also pointed out Boyington was part Sioux.

Boyington was open about his marital problems and alcohol abuse, saying notably, "Just name a hero and I'll prove he's a bum."

The blogger wondered, "have our Washington youth revised history so much as this? To compare Boyington - or for that matter any of our WW2 vets - to murderers? What are these kids being taught today? They don't deserve those 20 months Pappy spent being tortured and beaten in a Japanese prison camp ... they don't deserve any of what our grandfathers and grandmothers sacrificed to free Europe and the Pacific."

Boyington wrote a book in 1958 that reached the best-seller list, "Baa Baa, Black Sheep." In 1976, he sold rights to Universal, which aired a TV series for two seasons of the same name.

Boyington, who died Jan. 11, 1988, is buried in Arlington National Cemetery.

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Since when is a Medal of Honor recipient not a 'worthy' example of the school he attended?

You wonder what it is that drives people of my political persuasion 'around the bend', it is stuff like this.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 05:31 pm
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Ashley Miller, another senator, argued "many monuments at UW already commemorate rich white men."


Except Pappy Boyington was an American Indian.

<Wonder if Ms. Clueless' dad realizes he's wasting his money?>
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 08:23 pm
He was part American Indian. As we all are part something.
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StSimon
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 09:05 pm
Poor Pappy. He'll go through death without a statue at UW. Sniff. Crying or Very sad
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 09:30 pm
StSimon wrote:
Poor Pappy. He'll go through death without a statue at UW. Sniff. Crying or Very sad


Laughing
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 09:35 pm
Re: The leftist brainwashing of the next generation is compl
Fedral wrote:


...Boyington wrote a book in 1958 that reached the best-seller list, "Baa Baa, Black Sheep." In 1976, he sold rights to Universal, which aired a TV series for two seasons of the same name.


That was one of the last regular television programs I ever really got interested in.
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StSimon
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 09:36 pm
Do you think the perceptions of youth today about the Marines have less to do with Pappy, and more to do with the current military??
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 09:58 pm
Ah ya' tryin' to throw a monkey wrench into this supposition?
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StSimon
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 10:08 pm
I'm just curious if the right thinks the left gives classes on why they shouldn't recognize war heros? I wonder if the right thinks that not bringing your child up violent and war-loving is considered to be a parental failure??
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Fedral
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 07:00 am
StSimon wrote:
I'm just curious if the right thinks the left gives classes on why they shouldn't recognize war heros? I wonder if the right thinks that not bringing your child up violent and war-loving is considered to be a parental failure??


How about bringing up your child to appreciate the sacrifice made by those who came before you in defending the freedoms and way of life that they so take for granted.

How about a little respect for the men and women who left their lives and homes to stand between the forces of Fascism (Which the Left LOVES to claim is alive and well in Washington.) and people they didn't even know. Many left to defend those people, some didn't come back.

All gave some, some gave all.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 07:30 am
StSimon wrote:
I'm just curious if the right thinks the left gives classes on why they shouldn't recognize war heros? I wonder if the right thinks that not bringing your child up violent and war-loving is considered to be a parental failure??


Yes. I believe this pussy professors are brainwashing students by that America's military has a history of invasion and occupation. I wager they have even said that John McCain deserved the tourture he and all our POW's have experienced. Yet, I'll wager these pussy professors have never EVER had to be in a position to defend their ideals in front of real vets and demean and flunk students who challenge their opinions.

I don't "love" war and I can say that from being in one. It sucks, but sometines a necessary evil in this world.

Apparently, you have never been there.
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 08:04 am
Fedral wrote:
StSimon wrote:
I'm just curious if the right thinks the left gives classes on why they shouldn't recognize war heros? I wonder if the right thinks that not bringing your child up violent and war-loving is considered to be a parental failure??


How about bringing up your child to appreciate the sacrifice made by those who came before you in defending the freedoms and way of life that they so take for granted.
Not giving someone a statute means they don't appreciate the sacrifice? Geez Fedral, 2200 people have died in Iraq without statues being built by you. Have you even bothered to vote on a resolution to build those statues, let alone introduced such a resolution? I guess that proves you don't appreciate their sacrifice if we follow your logic here. StSimon called you on your strawman. Not building a statue doesn't mean someone doesn't appreciate their sacrifice.

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How about a little respect for the men and women who left their lives and homes to stand between the forces of Fascism (Which the Left LOVES to claim is alive and well in Washington.)
Boyington never fought the forces of Fascism to my knowledge. He fought the Japanese in China, the forces of Imperialism. And again, not building a statue doesn't equate to no respect. The story you posted is obviously slanted. It doesn't include the entire minutes of the meeting. It cites only 3 abbreviated quotes taken out of context. We can't judge why they didn't vote to uphold the resolution. It could have been a monetary reason.
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and people they didn't even know. Many left to defend those people, some didn't come back.

All gave some, some gave all.
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Fedral
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 08:21 am
parados wrote:
Fedral wrote:
StSimon wrote:
I'm just curious if the right thinks the left gives classes on why they shouldn't recognize war heros? I wonder if the right thinks that not bringing your child up violent and war-loving is considered to be a parental failure??


How about bringing up your child to appreciate the sacrifice made by those who came before you in defending the freedoms and way of life that they so take for granted.
Not giving someone a statute means they don't appreciate the sacrifice? Geez Fedral, 2200 people have died in Iraq without statues being built by you. Have you even bothered to vote on a resolution to build those statues, let alone introduced such a resolution? I guess that proves you don't appreciate their sacrifice if we follow your logic here. StSimon called you on your strawman. Not building a statue doesn't mean someone doesn't appreciate their sacrifice.


No, but their war isn't over yet. You build statues and monuments after a war is OVER. And when this on is over, I will be one of the first pushing for statues and monuments to those that served and those that fell.

[quote="Fedral"How about a little respect for the men and women who left their lives and homes to stand between the forces of Fascism (Which the Left LOVES to claim is alive and well in Washington.)[/quote]
parados wrote:
Boyington never fought the forces of Fascism to my knowledge. He fought the Japanese in China, the forces of Imperialism.


Fascism (in Italian, fascism), capitalized, was the authoritarian political movement which ruled Italy from 1922 to 1943 under the leadership of Benito Mussolini. Similar political movements, including Nazism, spread across Europe between World War I and World War II.

The most restrictive definitions of fascism include only one government, that of Mussolini in Italy. However, the term is frequently applied to Nazi Germany under Adolf Hitler and often (by both supporters and opponents) to other authoritarian regimes of the period such as those of Imperial Japan under Hideki Tojo, Austria under Engelbert Dollfuss and Greece under Ioannis Metaxas. LINK

parados wrote:
And again, not building a statue doesn't equate to no respect. The story you posted is obviously slanted. It doesn't include the entire minutes of the meeting. It cites only 3 abbreviated quotes taken out of context. We can't judge why they didn't vote to uphold the resolution. It could have been a monetary reason.


Try reading some of the quotes by the members of said student government, this has less to do with a monument and much more to do with uninformed ingratitude.
Referring to a man who was part Souix and fought hard against incredible poverty to become a college graduate, a Colonel in the Marine Corps and a Medal of Honor recipient as another 'rich white guy' who was an unworthy representative of their school.
Referring to a man who fought the forces of JAPANESE Fascism to protect his country as akin to a murderer.

THIS is the problem I had with this decision.

How sharper than a serpents tooth is an ungrateful child.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 09:15 am
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Fedral wrote:
Senate member Karl Smith amended the resolution to eliminate a clause that said Boyington "was credited with destroying 26 enemy aircraft, tying the record for most aircraft destroyed by a pilot in American Uniform," for which he was awarded the Navy Cross.

Not to detract from Boyington's accomplishments, but this simply isn't true. The top American fighter ace of World War II was Richard I. Bong of Poplar, Wisconsin, who shot down 40 Japanese planes.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 09:29 am
parados wrote:
And again, not building a statue doesn't equate to no respect. The story you posted is obviously slanted. It doesn't include the entire minutes of the meeting. It cites only 3 abbreviated quotes taken out of context. We can't judge why they didn't vote to uphold the resolution. It could have been a monetary reason.

The minutes of the student senate meeting are here (.pdf).
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 10:02 am
Interesting story. Since I live in Seattle, I was curious as to why I'd heard nothing about it until now. KVI, the radio station mentioned in fedral's article, is a conservative talk-radio station.

My guess is that the contemporary college student knows next to nothing about WWII--and that has nothing to do with anyone's political slant.

Why do I get the feeling that his whole episode was cooked up to prove a point? Boyington may very well deserve this honor, but why did this come up in 2006, more than 60 years (and several wars) after the fact?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 10:08 am
Another thread incorporating an overstated premise that is more pedestrian rhetoric than any kind of enlightenment.
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Fedral
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 10:08 am
Re: The leftist brainwashing of the next generation is compl
joefromchicago wrote:
Fedral wrote:
Senate member Karl Smith amended the resolution to eliminate a clause that said Boyington "was credited with destroying 26 enemy aircraft, tying the record for most aircraft destroyed by a pilot in American Uniform," for which he was awarded the Navy Cross.

Not to detract from Boyington's accomplishments, but this simply isn't true. The top American fighter ace of World War II was Richard I. Bong of Poplar, Wisconsin, who shot down 40 Japanese planes.


You are correct joe, however, I believe that the author was quoting from Boyington's Medal of Honor citation. At the time of his being shot down, captured and being awarded the Medal of Honor, he had 26 victories (Which WAS the record at THAT TIME.)

Richard Bong, flying his P-38 Lightning, achieved many of his air to air victories while Major Boyington was in a prisoner of war camp.

Thus I think the confusion.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 10:18 am
Fedral wrote:
You are correct joe, however, I believe that the author was quoting from Boyington's Medal of Honor citation.

Nope.

Text of Boyington's Medal of Honor citation
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 15 Feb, 2006 12:46 pm
Thanks for the minutes Joe. As I suspected, they took the statements of 2 or 3 out of 100 Senators and used it to paint the University.

The resolution vote was 45-45-10 with the deciding vote cast by the chair because of the tie.

There was no money allocated for the statue. There was no design in the process. It was an idea that didn't have much behind it other than one person pushing it and promising to walk it through the process.

A couple of people made stupid statements but you can find that in the US Senate too.
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