JLNobody
Quote:It's wonderful that You, the true you (i.e., CosmicBigYou, not littleyou, the separate/surrounded lonely little ego) are all there is. Thank you for reminding me.
It's wonderful indeed, it's beyond words. How can you ( I ) be " in here" when the minds contents is "out there".....?
It's a miracle that the simple image of this screen (or anything else) can appear at all. I mean, what is it?
Reality is beyond words because words are the map to or in reference to it but not it. But unfortunately most of us mistake the map for the territory. We live in a fairy tale of words and thoughts thinking, taking them to be what they represent. Yet do we know what they represent?
If an apple isn't an apple, then this body isn't this body and a thought isn't a thought, although that is not easy to grasp.
Well that's one angle......
Terry
Quote:, I do not agree that my conscious awareness is "nothing." It is certainly real to me, the effects of its existence are observable by others, and the state of consciousness is as measurable by scientific methods as are quarks and electrons. There is still much to learn, but science has come a long way in the understanding of consciousness and brain functions.
I never said consciousness/awareness was not 'real' I said it is experientially 'nothing' as in not observable or perceivable. It is not present as an object of awareness for it
IS the awareness.
Awareness is nothing objective, nothing that can be felt, smelt, seen, heard, touched or thought about. If you who are reading these words can also be ''read"...., preceived and thought about then it cannot be
you the perrceiver. When you claim to observe awareness you are merely observing objects in awareness not the awareness for the awareness is doing the observing. (dualistically speaking that is). Some get it some don't, you apparently don't.
Science knows practically nothing about consciousness, and whatever they are measuring it is not consciousness. They are measuring, examining contents, contents, and more contents. Objects, objects and more objects.
Quote: If there is a universal awareness, how come we are not universally aware of it?
I think some are.
But how come most of us are ignorant? Good question.
Quote: I understand that you believe otherwise, but I have no reason to doubt that my perception of reality is a reasonably accurate representation of an objective universe made up of particles of matter (which may be waves of energy or vibrating strings but are not "nothing") that obey physical laws to produce the patterns of photons impinging on my retina.
Oh, there is something 'there' alright, I never said otherwise, we just don't know or maybe cannot know what that something is. We call it the objective universe, this body, consciousness, but they are mere symbols. We are always emerged in symbols, speaking about symbols, interacting with symbols, we are symbols to ourselves and each other. But you and I are not a mere symbol, not mere abstractions, not mere representations. If you are content to be a symbol to yourself, fine, I am not.
The photons never make it to your brain, rather a signal is send to the brain from the eyes and the the brain produces an image. So you (awareness) never see the photons. That they exist is more workings of the imagination,
Gelisgesti
Quote: What distinction/s separate Gods from Spirits?
What distinguishes a carrot from god? Or this, ' a ' from god, or spirit?
nothing
One cannot deviate from the Tao.
