Passage ...... Where do you go after you die

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Very tough for us old guys to "piss up" anything. We save all our "ups" for...

...well, ya know!

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gels, At our age, our ropes are kin to ropes, so we don't piss on em.

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They finally released the ingredients in Viagra:
3% Vitamin E
2% Aspirin
2% Ibuprofen
1% Vitamin C
5% Spray Starch
87% Fix-A-Flat

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Gelisgesti wrote:

Hi Terry, wouldn't birth qualify as thoughtless and without identity?

Yes.

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Your argument supports my point of view. If there is an afterlife you will be able to keep all the "wonderful things I have yet to experience in this life" .... if there is only death ....

If there is an afterlife and I choose to live out this life first, I will still have eternity to experience more things. If I were to cut this life short I would lose out on experiences, but wouldn't be around to know that I had missed anything.

OK, my premature death would have no effect on the "me" that no longer existed, but I would have lost many opportunities to make an impact on the world and the lives of other people. This is the only kind of immortality that I can truly count on.

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I can accept that .... of course that begs the question of 'what is the form and function of the mind'?
Mind/soul are the same and can not exist outside the brain, which places them inside the physical body. Is their composition then considered flesh and bone? If other please explaine

The function of the mind is to consciously experience life and make choices. The form is still a bit of a mystery. Perhaps it is a 4-D virtual projection from the biochemical patterns created by neurons? (sounds good, doesn't it? Of course I just made that up. :wink: )

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I would think that blonde hair and blue eyes or the deep pigmentation of a black person would entail a great deal of specificity.

Not really. Creating brain structure is far more involved than simply changing the amount of pigment.

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If my clone takes twice the amount of music lessons and has a more acute sense of hearing, then what?

The area devoted to hearing in his brain is larger than yours, and his musical abilities are greater. He may choose a career as a musician. In any case, he is not identical to you in this respect.

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Gelisgesti wrote:

The fourth dimension is thought by some to be time. Time defined is linear with, for us three dimensional creatures, a past, present and future. Would I be in error to describe the fourth dimension as time existing as undefined with the past, present and future existing simultaneously thereby negating the restraints of time travel ..... this would reduce time to a 'capacity.'

If the universe had only two spatial dimensions, you could visualize each moment as a transparent sheet (like they use with overhead projectors) with particles embedded in it. By stacking consecutive sheets, you could trace the motion of any given particle over time as its location changes from one sheet to another. A block of sheets would be a frozen universe where every moment in time (past present and future), was preserved for all eternity.

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God must exist and operate in dimensions of space and time other than those to which we are confined. God could not have created the universe if He were only a part of it. The Bible says the universe cannot contain Him.

The Bible also states no man can see God and live which makes sense when able to comprehend that a God who can exist in all dimensions and out of dimension that we are aware of would create a dramatic difference in the dimensions that we know of if he showed himself. An explosion would ensue.

According to particle physics and relativity, at least ten dimensions of space existed at the creation of the universe. Three of these dimensions (plus time) formed the space-time manifold that we can directly observe. The other six of these dimensions exist within the universe as incredibly compact dimensions of space. God must be able to operate in all of those ten dimensions plus more in order to have created the universe. A verse from the book of Hebrews suggests God created the universe out of some of the dimensions of space and time which are not visible to us.

The God of the Bible is described as omnipotent. If God were confined to three dimensions of space and one dimension of time, then He could be in only one place at one time.

Stephen Hawking, George Ellis, and Roger Penrose extended the equations for general relativity to include space and time. Not only space, but also time has a beginning - at the moment of creation. Studies in particle physics have shown that our dimension of time is really only half a dimension, since time can only move forward (forget the time travel movies - this is scientifically impossible).

The Bible says God was not created, but has existed from eternity past to eternity future. The Bible also suggests God created time and was acting before time began , confirming that God exists in at least two dimensions of time. In addition, the Bible states God can compress or expand our time line , based upon what He wants to do. For God to turn a day into 1000 years and 1000 years into a day requires that He exist in at least two dimensions of time. Rolling Eyes

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Dimensions are as few as they are many, 1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on and so on were created by god or patience, the ultimate capacity. Thought is a one dimensional capacity inspired by intellect born of awareness.

Time to define 'capacity' ..... start with a lump of clay, useful only in it's potential which requires direct intellectual intervention to accomplish. Make a cup .... the beauty of the intellectual accomplishment is of certain value, but what lends the most value to the 'creation' is what is not there, the emptiness or 'capacity', a cup without capacity might as well be a lump of clay. A soul is a capacity as is time, endless capacities.
Attaching any more value to the clay shell as more than a lump of clay is simply in error as the shell is no more than an incubator for nursling gods.
Of course this is just my opinion and I could be wrong. .......

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Ruach wrote:

The Bible also states no man can see God and live which makes sense when able to comprehend that a God who can exist in all dimensions and out of dimension that we are aware of would create a dramatic difference in the dimensions that we know of if he showed himself. An explosion would ensue.

Ruach is right. The Bible does state that no man can see God.

In fact, it says it at six different places: Exodus 33:20; John 1:18 & 6:46; 1 Timothy 1:17 & 6:16 and 1 John 4:12.

Unfortunately for the Bible "believers" -- the Bible also talks about people seeing God eye to eye in many place.

Geneis 12:7; 17:1; 18:1; 26:2; 26:24; 32:30; 35:1; 35:9; 48:3; Exodus 6:3; 24:9-11; 33:11; Numbers 14:14; Deuteronomy 5:4; 34:10; Judges 13:22 -- and a half dozen other places.

And not an explosion occurred!

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God does live in a seperate dimension: the one known as the imagination, a realm as vast as any.

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truth
Well put, Edgar.

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edgarblythe wrote:

God does live in a seperate dimension: the one known as the imagination, a realm as vast as any.

Finally you are starting to come around ..... now that we know where to locate God, we might be able to define God and by doing that, define the fabric of all that is. I'm just not sure that the dimensions are seperable. It makes it an easier transition to have them somehow connected. :wink:

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edgar, "Imagination and vast" fits the topic of god perfectly! Wink

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Of course. You could have trillions of gods in your imagination. You could have planets made entirely of cumquats.

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edgarblythe wrote:

Of course. You could have trillions of gods in your imagination. You could have planets made entirely of cumquats.

EWWWWWWWWWW .... make sure you take off those shoes before you go in the house Mr..

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At many shrines around this world, everybody is required to remove their shoes before entering. Wink

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Many homes, also, CI.

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We used to be one of those. Some of our friends still remove their shoes even though we tell them it's not necessary. Wink

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My neighbor grew up in Japan. She still takes her shoes off.

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I wept because I had no shoes and then I met a man that had no feet ..... I said to him .... ' you haven't got an extra pair of shoes laying around do you?

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Gels, Very funny! But I gotta admit you have excellent memory. Wink

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