Passage ...... Where do you go after you die

I don't know but what I saw on Voyager last night looked pretty good.

I actually have been wondering that for a while now I really want to know I hope I will find out soon. I am not talking about dying here but finding out by speaking to like a spirit or something.

How it usually works, due to our position in the food chain, is, our spirit finds us. The catch is that we must take notice.....

Take notice of what, may I ask? c.i.

First one thing and then another CI.
Stand in front of a mirror about a foot and a half away. let your eyes come to rest in the area just above the bridge of your nose and at the same time maintain your attention to your solar plexus. After a short period, if you do not lose concentration, the face in the mirror will blur leaving you with a reflection seen through an archetypical vision of self, without the affectations of life.

Once you accept your thoughts as a part of you, you become aware of what you began, what you are and, with time the realization that you decide the tack of your jib and you alone suffer the consequences of your destination.

Gels, I refrain from looking at myself in the mirror, because it scares to look at me. We've had all the mirrors removed from our home. c.i.

Gelisgesti wrote:



I really do disagree with this belief (or perception) gels.

Our thought process comes from many avenues... as: activity going on around us; words that come in front of our vision- even subconsciously; purposeful thoughts- wherein we are TRYING to focus on a subject - study, prayer, etc.; and not to discourage that probability that "other powers" sway our thoughts with their will, temporarily.

I view thoughts like birds flying in the air. I cannot stop them from flying over head, but I can keep them from building a nest in my hair.

I do not believe I am the composite of my thoughts. All thoughts I may read that have been sanctioned through the ages- MAY (and could) cause me to be a better person. Memory and Trauma play a large part too.

(It is really too complicated to put into a small book, isn't it?)

when given a choice, I always opt to live just a bit longer, I can always change my mind later.

Yeah, dys, I'm with you. Let's have a longivity race. c.i.

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What's the point of that, C.I., when the loser won't know that he has lost.

But the world will know. I'll be dancing in the streets.... throw a party.......and shout it on A2K. c.i.

Where do bad folks go when they die?
Don't go to heaven where the angles cry...
Go to the lake of fire and fry...
Won't see'em again 'till the fourth of July.

Heck is for people that don't believe in hell.

I don't think I am mistaken when I say that when we're dead, we're not there to experience it - fortunately. One's own world may end - and sometimes those are beautiful and fascinating worlds - but the world itself won't.

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True enough John ... could the reason be that it is an inescapable truth that we all travel from life's beginning to end ..... then why is it so implausible to make the cycle complete and eternal by completeing the journey from end to beginning and from there to .... ?

[quote="Gelisgesti"]First one thing and then another CI.
Stand in front of a mirror about a foot and a half away. let your eyes come to rest in the area just above the bridge of your nose and at the same time maintain your attention to your solar plexus. After a short period, if you do not lose concentration, the face in the mirror will blur leaving you with a reflection seen through an archetypical vision of self, without the affectations of life.
Once you accept your thoughts as a part of you, you become aware of what you began, what you are and, with time the realization that you decide the tack of your jib and you alone suffer the consequences of your destination.[/quote]

Well, you must admit that there is a certain rationale to this
direction ... how one perceives oneself, and how one is perceived
by others, are very often totally different. In fact, I have had
so many occurrences wherein another person told me how glad
they were, that something particular I had said helped them in
some way with their life, some problem etc etc..... but I KNOW
that I did not say what the other person thought I said. Yet, that
is what was HEARD! That was what that other person NEEDED
to hear. So how can this be? How did they simply hear what it
was they needed to hear - when I never said it & even though
what I said was something totally different? These experiences
happen extremely often, especially so because they occur in
a therapeutic healing environment. Or from another point of
view; how masses of negative electrons whirling around a
positive center be perceived as so absolutely solid. We KNOW
what the atom really is, and what our world is made up of. And
even though it often fails to make any sense with what we think
we know, we still continue to deceive ourselves about the
true nature of the world you think we think we see.
The philosopher ( William James, perhaps) once said that a
certain way to ensure ignorance...is by contempt prior to
investigation. There are just SO many possibilities, and we
so often pretend to be SO certain, so grown up, so utterly
self assured - even when it is not true at all. One NEVER
stops learning & growing and if you do, well then that is a
terrible shame....and I feel so much sadness for you. We
are not finished until we draw our last breath, and no
amount of smug, sophisticated, and ultra hip persona can
mask what a loss it is when an individual ceases to grow.

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Why, if the Soul can fling the Dust aside,
And naked on the Air of Heaven ride,
Were't not a Shame-were't not a Shame for him
In this clay carcase crippled to abide?


'Tis but a Tent where takes his one day's rest
A Sultan to the realm of Death addrest;
The Sultan rises, and the dark Ferrash
Strikes, and prepares it for another Guest.


Babs, Well stated .... from the 'dust' or 'clay' point of view. Could I beg a favor and have you re-write your post from a 'soul' or'spirit' point of view?

Here's something to chew on: according to today's local newspaper, five to seven percent of Americans have mental health problems. That's not a small number; we're looking at over 16 million of our citizens with mental health problems. I think that's a conservative number. For those of us that "think" we're sane, most of us still perceive things wrongly like the examples given above. We seem to hear or see things the way we want to see and hear things. Our reality is really in question if our perceptions are skewed on important aspects of our lives. What does it matter where we end up after we die, if our reality is not reality? c.i.

Oooo, good one CI

And what if those of us who are considered sane are only so because there is nothing more sane to compare ourselves with.

Human language is so imprecise that our sharing of information is almost unavoidably prone to misinterpretation and false imagery, upon which many whole world views are based.

Loren Eiseley called Humans "The Dream Animal" because a lot of our daily lives and thoughs, are merely constructs of behavior built up around the physical realities which challenge our survival.

A dream can certainly reflect reality, and it may even happen to be accurate, but it's still just a reflection, not the reality itself.

Best Regards,

Please allow me several amens.

Amen, amen, amen, amen!