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7 Dead in CA Post Office Shooting

 
 
cjhsa
 
Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 10:32 am
How is this possible when all of the federal buildings have those signs saying "no firearms allowed"? Sad when the decent, honest law abiding are forced to disarm and work in a building that essentially invites the shooter to come in unchallenged.


7 Dead in Calif. Post Office Shooting


GOLETA, Calif. (AP) - A female ex-postal worker opened fire at a mail processing plant, killing six people before committing suicide, authorities said early Tuesday.

One other person was listed in critical condition, authorities said.

Deputies responding to a call of shots fired late Monday initially found two people dead outside the plant.

Two wounded women were located inside and were taken to a hospital. One died and the other was listed in critical condition early Tuesday with a gunshot wound to the head.


During a search of the massive mail complex, deputies found four additional bodies, including one believed to be the female shooter, Santa Barbara County Sheriff Jim Anderson said. The shooter, who was not identified, died of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound, he said.

"We do not believe there is any additional threat to the community," Anderson said.

Postal employee Charles Kronick told KEYT-TV in Santa Barbara that he was inside the building when shots rang out. Some 50 to 60 employees were seen running from the plant.

"I heard something that sounded like a pop, and then I heard a couple seconds later, another pop, pop, pop," Kronick said.

His boss came running over and told him to get out of the building, Kronick said, adding "We all hightailed it out real quick."

The victims' names were not immediately released. Sheriffs' Sgt. Erik Raney said all the victims were believed to be current employees.

The postal station is located just a few blocks from the University of California, Santa Barbara, about 100 miles northwest of Los Angeles.
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Letty
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 03:05 pm
I saw that, cj. Adds new meaning to the phrase "going postal."

I'm with you, however. How did she slip a gun by all those guards?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 03:05 pm
Actually I think that's exactly where "going postal" came from.

Really weird that it keeps happening. I wonder what combination of factors?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 03:07 pm
employee population control, a Bush faith-based initive for lowering retirement costs.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 03:08 pm
Postal workers are over-supervised, for one thing--an article i readin 1997 in the NYT said there are five supervisory staff to each seven sorting and delivery staff (everyone but the folks at the front counter).

I can think, however, of few more boneheaded solutions that to make sure that everyone everywhere is packing heat 24/7 . . . though i'm not surprised that CJ attempts to exploit the news of a tragedy to suggest that that is the answer . . .
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 03:20 pm
Indeed.


When guns are available to any nut...this is what happens...regularly, in the US, it seems.


I was reading some alarming stats on how many IRL shootings American kids see in certain areas of big cities...and how often in the US a child is shot...once every 90 minutes, I think it was, but I would have to check.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 03:42 pm
How this event is an argument for MORE guns in the community escapes me...
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 03:46 pm
D'artagnan wrote:
How this event is an argument for MORE guns in the community escapes me...

Obviously you did not read my post, it's all a matter of efficientcy, more guns fewer retirement costs.
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 03:49 pm
D'artagnan wrote:
How this event is an argument for MORE guns in the community escapes me...


I think cjhsa was implying that gun control laws did not keep this person from killing 6 people but they did keep law abiding citizens from possibly stopping her before she could rack up such a tally.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 03:52 pm
Yeah, people drive over the speed limit and there's still fatal accidents so let's abolish speed limits. good thinking.
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 03:58 pm
That is a poor analogy.

It is completely reasonable to think that if there was a person there with a concealed weapon that they would have been able to stop the person before she killed so many. Not a definite, but possible.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 04:26 pm
right, and it is a good analogy, although it requires the ability to reason.
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 06:01 pm
Bearing arms is a constitutional right and gives peole the ability to defend themselves.

Speeding is not a consitutional right nor does it give anybody the ability to defend themselves.

Your reasoning is faulty and the analogy is poor.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 06:21 pm
the analogy is
there are laws to control gun use.
they (the laws) don't always prevent illegal gun use/ownership.
conclusion=we shouldn't have gun control laws.
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there are laws to control highway safty (speed limits)
they (the speed limits) don't always prevent accidents.
conclusion=we shouldn't have speed limits.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 06:22 pm
ps. I'm a gun owner.
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 06:36 pm
The senario still skirts around the facts that the right to bear arms is a constitutional right and gives one the ability to defend yourself.

Do you support all gun control laws?


ps. I am not a gun owner.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 06:47 pm
The reason we need guns is, it's impossible to run fast enough to carry bullets at a deadly velocity.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 08:43 pm
I choose to defend myself and my family. You can do whatever you want. Yes, an entirely armed workforce would have prevented this today. Watch me and learn.

Thanks JP.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 31 Jan, 2006 10:35 pm
An entire armed workforce would make this today look like child's play.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 1 Feb, 2006 06:55 am
Really? I take it you wish to disarm the police as well? Duh!
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