Experts Claim Official 9-11 Story is a Hoax ! FINALLY!

Tico, I posted the link above. Somehow you missed it. » Zogby Poll Finds Over 70 Million Voting Age Americans Support ...... REVEALS OVER 70 MILLION VOTING AGE AMERICANS DISTRUST OFFICIAL 9/11 STORY AND ... and answer the hundreds of still unresolved questions concerning 9/11, ... "
http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/zogby-poll-finds-over-70-million-voting-age-americans-support-new-911-investigation

Exactly! "Not a conspiracy theorist, [would] just like an answer"

If you asked any of these questions, let say to find out more about the terrorist or simply for investigation and facts without making and Presumptions You are immediately labeled a "conspiracy theorist" and a target for blind nationalism (not patriotism). You become the subject not the answer to your question wich is forgotten.

As of yet the counter argument does not exist to explain what the "conspiracy theorist" propose you are one or not. The whole thing really is only a fight for answers. You can explain the resistance to those answers any way you would like.

http://www.loosechange911.com/

The article you linked is obviously tendentious, and does not provide any evidence in order to make a reasonable judgment. I'm interested in the questions, responses and demographics of this poll, which was commissioned by 911truth.org "to inform deliberations at the June 2-4 '9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future" conference in Chicago'."

Do you have a link to the poll on the Zogby website? All I can find is the same completely biased article you linked to replicated all over the place.

The article you linked to provides the following as the second issue in the poll: "Cover up - did the government and its 9/11 Commission conceal or refuse to investigate evidence that contradicts their official story? (only 48% said no)"

How, from the responses to that double-edged question, can one conclude that less than 50% of Americans believe the government's version of 9/11 events? According to the article, "only 48% said no" -- but what percentage said "Yes"? What did the other 52% say? .... "I don't know" or "no opinion"?

Front page coverage in the new Vanity fair.

http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/911-conspiracy-in-vanity-fair

Amigo, front page news.

... in Vanity Fair.

Forget about polls and opinions. What is the explanation for the white hot steel dug out of the ruins?

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/06/17/18281125.php

I'm to tired too read through all this $hit right now but it looks like they are on the subject.

Im going to be one who has to step out and question the authority and quetion the expertise of Dr Steve Jones and Dr Fetzer.
The reason is that now Jones is stating that he has found evidence of a sulphitic residue in the puddles of melted steel and aluminum.

How much , and(once again) do I believe the guy who, in 1987 fudged his own data to publish the "cold fusion" reaction.

I know that Jones is only asking for a reopening of the investigations but hes not giving a credible reaction balance for the rewidues he claims are loaded with sulfur.

I dont want to discourage any curiosity, but when does careful skepticism come in? You folks are blindly being led to believe a proposition that has no other corroborating evidence.

HOWEVER, we do know that the conspiracists "FAKED one important piece of data. Does this faking not mean anything to you guys? You seem to brush it off in the fog of your own stampede to conclude that a conspiracy has occured. This is counter forensic. Its just like the cReationists who were caught carving human footprints in the shales that contained dinosaur tracks.
Explain to me how their "faked" seismic data still supports a demolition . You have to drop that piee of "evidence" at least

Yes i'm ready show me. (cold fusion)

Also I have heard nothing about faked seismic data except from you and even that was open for interpretation.

(The following was taken from link below)

Molten steel was found "three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed [from WTCs 1 & 2]," Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon. [American Free Press]

Molten steel is a by-product of a thermite reaction.

A combination of an uncontrolled fire and the structural damage might have been able to bring the building down, some engineers said. But that would not explain steel members in the debris pile that appear to have been partly evaporated in extraordinarily high temperatures, Dr. Barnett said. [New York Times]

A Zogby poll that says 70 million Americans want a new investigation of 911 is not a poll to ignore imo. It's a testament to the absurdity of the government's 911 conspiracy theory especially because the last thing most American's want is to believe our government would lie to them about such an atrocity. The molton metal is a particularely disturbing aspect and the stand down another. The Pentagon got whacked well after the WTC and of course people would wonder about that. Mineta's testimoney is very disturbing. http://anderson.ath.cx:8000/911/pen10.html

At this point I think it's funny to watch peopel deny their is not more to 9/11.

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At this point I think it's funny to watch peopel deny their is not more to 9/11.

I think so too Amigo. I think it's funny to watch peopel( sic) deny their( sic) is not more to 9/11.

LOL LOL

LOL

A message from someone who is obviously very very well educated!

Bern, I dont make any comments about peoples spelling or keyboarding. Mine are atrocious and Im rather "overeducated"
Amigo, that is correct, it was rom me because I reported the direct comments from the geophysicists of Lamont Dougherty Geophysical observatory who were the ones who said that the "conspracists had "faked" the geophysical (seismic) record by compressing the time lines to give an artificial "heres a manmade blast " signal.If you recall, my comment was a link to Lamont and the scientists therein who were laughing at the hammy handed faking that accompanied the report of the seismic traces.

My expertise includes seismic prospecting and I was fortunate enough to see the traces , which both original and faked, I showed in the first pages of this thread.


I guess my thesis is, "if they dont think that its beneath them to fake one piece of evidence, what about all the others. Magginkat thinks that the govt had 5 years to doctor the plane photo from the security cams at the Pentagon. My question was why must anyone fake anything? If the "doctoring of data" is important to dr Jones et al. then, how can you trust these people with out so much as a single doubt.

Ive SEEN NO "THERMATE" data . Ive seen one photo of 2 firemen standing in a riubble pile next to two uprights that were obviously cut by welding torches. These uprights were at the base of the pile and were cut in order to assist the cleanup, yet jones and his cronies have used that to "prove" that cutter charges were used. One can see the drip marks of the residual metal evenly spread about the cut. Thats not a pattern left by det cords or thermite.
Im beginning to think that with those photos, there are now 2 faked pieces of evidence.


WHETHER you know it or not Dr STeven Jones was one of the scientists at BYU who , in the late 80s published a series of papers on "Cold Fusion" This caught the applied physics boys by storm and everyone and his brother were attempting to duplicate the reaction ( a way in which evidence is partially verified) NOONE could duplicate the experiments and so "cold fusion" went quietly away with Piltdown man and the PAluxey footprints , and the 100mpg carburator.

Ive always been somewhat suspicious of scientists (or in the case of Fetzer, philosophers) who come off rather "loud and show boaty".

I approach Dr Steven Jones with the same scepticism I approach everything including the official story on 9/11. It is the only responsible thing to do.

I do not throw out your accusations. They are noted in my memory about Dr Jones weather I like it or not.The possible motives for the Bush junta to fake things are far greater then the motives for Dr Jones to fake things.

So you are considering a conspiracy of a conspiracy?

This whole thing is about an independent investigation. Thats it. And I don't mean a article in a mechanics magizine by the cousin of a neo-con in a Hearst publication who is also a neo-con.

I see Bernard is lending his credibility to you.

Also there is more then scientific evidence.

Mr. Farmerman- I rarely comment on Spelling errors since they are ubiquitous. However

Amigo, I dont postulate a conspiracy of a conspiracy. I leave that sort of stuff to you and Mkat. Im merely saying that Jones and Fetzer "like their 15 minutes" and they are using whatever means to extend their time.

I wouldnt be adverse to a reopen and a more public scrutinizing of all data so the "shoddy engineering" that the internet armchair experts claim , can be exposed once and for all (there are thousands upon thousands of photos and items of evidence retained), also the faking of the evidence by the "Truth ..." people needs to be further explained to the lay public lest they continue to believe all the claims.

Can you supply a link that shows the analyses of the sulfur residues? Im a bit incredulous about that.

not the actual results but certainly claim that sulphur was found

from

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/06/341238.shtml


Dr. Jones in earlier work pointed to thermate as the likely explosive that brought down the WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 skyscrapers. But only recently was physical material analysed in the lab and the presense of thermate announced. The samples were provided Dr. Jones team from redundant sourses.