Stop the Invasion - National Protest Day

Don't think so - but I can swing both ways!

Well, I'd have to apply 150 year old logic. I will say I don't think it is appropriate to rewrite history, as the argument Husker first introduced implies, that I, somehow as a fifth generation American, am suddenly an "illegal alien". Horseshit (pardon me).

I suppose you'd want to go back and accuse England, Spain, France, and Portugal, to name a few, of "stealing" the land as well?

I also suppose you agree with the statement "no border is legitimate"?

cjhsa - I'm sorry you are in for a rude awaking here, things are changing tribes are now getting lands and properties they want. As more native folks get education and money your are going to see more dramatic changes in the landscape and ownership of lands. Wake up!!

What's your not listening to is that I never said which side of the fence I'm on.

Husker, what are you talking about? I'm wide awake, I assure you.

Tribes are getting more money because they've been given free reign by the government to operate casinos and pay no taxes. I suppose it is some sort of payback. Here in Michigan, the state tried to shut one of them down because they paid no state taxes on their income, so the indians just went out and cut the locks off the doors and opened the casino the next day like nothing had happened. And nothing ever did.

Anyway, you're jacking my thread a bit.

I don't think so, and because I don't think you are listening anyway, I am going to tell you exactly what our strategy is. Fortunately those on your side are making it pretty easy right now.

At the core of the anti-immigrant movement is a desire for an America that is white, English and Christian (and yes, the anti-immigrant movement is the exact same as the anti-illegal-immigrant so these terms are interchangeable) . This is why the anti-immigrant people are also want to put religion in schools and oppose affirmative action. The attack on multiculturism, the belief that an America is a blend of many cultures that should all be respected, is a symptom of this.

The question is whether the desire for a white-christian English-Speaking America with narrow homogenous views on what is "decent" implies racism.

People who hold this belief display a hatred for the "other". They attack anyone who does not conform to their idea of what a decent American should be like.

Perhaps this should not be called "racism" because the hatred is not restricted to race. But the rhetoric and beliefs of the anti-Immigrant movement are strikingly similar to those of groups that are commonly called "racist" both in the past and now.

But I digress, let me explain the game...

Our goal is to show how extreme the right is.

We want to show angry white males with guns saying extreme things. We want to show demagogic politicians taking stands that hurt real people. We want the people who railing against illegal immigrants to be yelling about the loss of religion and attacking the womens right to choose. And thank God, this is what is now happening.

Countering this will be easy. We will show you high school honor roll students who happen to not have papers. You will yell about them being "illegal", but they will look very American and talk about their dreams about college.

We will show you families that contain American citizens. They will be decent folks who are loved by their neighbors and work very hard. Again you will yell they are "illegal". You will even try to change the Constitution to keep their children from becoming Americans.

What will happen is that those Americans who don't share the White Christian vision of America will see the harm caused by the right attacks on people. They will see that whether they are "illegal" or not doesn't matter, to most Americans, they will look and act very much like people.

You are right, the "racist" label is just an introduction. We will be able to show that many in the anti-immigrant movement say and believe things that are undeniably racist.

But the debate needs to go much further than that.

The anti-immigrant movement is "extremist". Thanks to Minutemen, House Republicans and on-line conservatives, this is an easy argument to win.

I am of the opinion that the land no more belongs to "real Americans" than it did to the native Americans or does now to "illegal immigrants" in the vast scheme of things. People move around at the whims of the times and there is no real stopping it. Racism can play a part, but the territorial nature of humans is the major reason for that kind of conflict.

Did you go to the protests CJ? I heard they were kind of underwhelming.



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It is going to be fun watching the effect of these groups on the Congressional election.

The Republicans are giving up the Latino vote (which Bush depended on) and don't have a shot at the African-American vote. Of course, there is always the White Christian vote, but I don't think that depending solely on this group is a good political strategy.

Well articulated EB--my hat would be off to you, but i never wear one, i'm a dog, fer chrissake . . . here, have a cold drink . . .

I seriously appreciate the common sense as well as the wisdom of your statement.

Thanks, Setanta. I missed your reply until now.

Wow, e_brown reveals himself as a communist, and NOBODY on A2K gives a **** except me.

Just because you hate the U.S. and intend to fully exploit its laws to further your own uber-liberal agenda doesn't mean you're going to win.

I have been opposed to many parts of the Patriot act but your post shows me why they may be needed.

Curious George, why don't you encourage these illegals to migrate legally? Why do you support their rush across the border, to overwhelm our hospitals and welfare offices, to completely and nepotistically take over entire industries (like yard work and construction), as they have in California?

Seen a white guy on a lawn mower lately? Maybe in Boston, but you don't see the reverse racism in requiring the operator to speak Spanish to do so, as is required in much of the southwest.

Don't tell me about racism. You've already lost your argument.

I love you CJ.

(Did you read the part where I explained our strategy?)

I know what you are. It's the reason you've already lost your argument.

Give every border agent one of these and the go ahead to use it. Illegal "immigration" would stop pretty quick.

(Yep, I'm all about guns).

Of course, there's no predjudice here; just want laws obeyed. He he.

Actually, i suspect he dreams of going to the border and shooting the illegals . . . he just will never admit it . . .

Thanks Set, for at least using the proper terminology.

You know, posting that picture and suggesting the border patrol needs a weapon which will blow a hole in the armor plate of a humvee to deal with frightened people risking their very lives for a shot at economic sufficiency is nothing short of sick and disgusting . . . you have an unhealthy obsession.

Communist?

Perhaps its more that nobody on A2K knows what the F you're on about?

You fail to understand a deterrent. Some have proposed land mines. I find that to be, well, just too random.

They're shooting at our border patrol. Why not shoot back?