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Why are you still a Christian?

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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 02:23 pm
echi,

I am sorry, but in that case the "I" means literally what it says. Jesus Christ is the Truth, the Way and the Life.

Yes, human egos do convince other people of many things.
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echi
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:08 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
Jesus Christ is the Truth, the Way and the Life.


When Jesus said this, he was speaking not as "Jesus" but as "Christ".
"I am the Truth, the Way and the Life." We don't know exactly what was said, but it probably was very close to this.

In the Bible, does Jesus ever claim to be God?
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:10 pm
M.A. wrote:

I wish faith was something you could just give to people.

I feel the same way about critical thinking skills and common sense.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:14 pm
echi,

He said I am the Father are one. If you see me, you see the Father.

Doktor S,

Those would be the desires of man, not of God.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:15 pm
Forgive them father for they know not what they do.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:18 pm
Yep, Mr. Dyslexia, that's what He said. Humble and loving to the very end. Forgiving everyone for killing Him. Quite a guy.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:21 pm
all that and talking to himself.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:24 pm
You know something, you guys really need a new script. I've heard of circular reasoning, but circularing arguing?
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:29 pm
Quote:

Doktor S,

Those would be the desires of man, not of God.

More specifically, this man.
Are you saying that your desire to 'give faith to everyone' (which frankly I see as a bit insulting) comes from 'god'?
That's quite the ego you have there, M.A.
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echi
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:34 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
He said I am the Father are one. If you see me, you see the Father.


He said this speaking as Christ, not as Jesus. If it is Jesus who is important, then why bother adding the word "Christ"?

Jesus was born a regular, ordinary, run of the mill human being and later, after much prayer and spiritual insight, realized his true nature.

It seems his message to people was simply to do as he had done. This message was not what most people wanted to hear; they just wanted someone to worship, someone to do their work for them.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:35 pm
Doktor S wrote:
Quote:

Doktor S,

Those would be the desires of man, not of God.

More specifically, this man.
Are you saying that your desire to 'give faith to everyone' (which frankly I see as a bit insulting) comes from 'god'?
That's quite the ego you have there, M.A.

Doktor S,

I can understand how you might see it as ego, since that is what your faith is based on and only what it can do to benefit you.

My faith is faith based on loving others and wishing only the best for them. If that's ego, then I need more.
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:43 pm
No, I don't have 'faith'
I see 'faith' itself as a hinderance to clear thinking and I try to avoid it at all costs.
I just thought it funny that you would insinuate my desires were 'of man' while yours were 'of god', as if you were qualified to make such a distinction.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:47 pm
Doktor S,

The Bible makes it very clear what the desires of God are. It also makes it very clear what the desires of man are.

Actually, you are the one that made it clear your desires have nothing to do with God.
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echi
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:50 pm
echi wrote:
Momma Angel wrote:
He said I am the Father are one. If you see me, you see the Father.


He said this speaking as Christ, not as Jesus. If it is Jesus who is important, then why bother adding the word "Christ"?

Jesus was born a regular, ordinary, run of the mill human being and later, after much prayer and spiritual insight, realized his true nature.

It seems his message to people was simply to do as he had done. This message was not what most people wanted to hear; they just wanted someone to worship, someone to do their work for them.


Maybe you missed this post. It was at the bottom of the heap.
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 03:51 pm
Oh, my desires have Everything to do with God.
I just define god differently.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 04:03 pm
Actually, Doktor S, I think you just have a different god.

echi,

Sorry hon. I disagree with what you posted.
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echi
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 04:13 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
I disagree with what you posted.


Well, I sorta' figured you would. But I'm interested in how your beliefs differ from mine. I still don't know what your beliefs are, really, aside from: God sending His only Son, Jesus (Who is also God), to die so that our sins may be forgiven. But I wish you, or someone else, could explain a bit more what all of that means. I am trying to get it.
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 04:13 pm
Yes, we all have different gods. As our 'selves' are all different, so are the projections those selves create.
You project yours outward, I project mine inwards.
Very different indeed.
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squinney
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 04:19 pm
echi - from reading your posts, I get the feeling you have higher thinking skills. It sounds to me like you are re-searching a path you have already been down.

Did you not like your own answers?
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 04:29 pm
echi,

I don't know what else to tell you. That is the basics of my beliefs.

If you ask specifics, I will do my best to answer.
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