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The Abramoff scandal investigation

 
 
mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 12:04 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
It's a reminder C.I. Of why we are in the ME and what terrorists are capable of. We must never forget that. I know many here appear to have forgotten.


Maybe I shold post a picture of a bombed-out Hiroshima to remind us what Americans are capable of. I think I'm going to hurl.


Do that.
It would show that Americans are capable of ending a war we didnt start,using a method that cost the fewest overall casualties,both to Americans AND the Japanese.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 12:04 pm
McGentrix wrote:
D'artagnan wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
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Maybe it's time you stopped demonizing one group and tried to be a little more objective...


Laughing


While I don't expect you to be familiar with all my posts, if you were, you'd know that I don't write along the lines of "Conservatives/Republicans/Right Wingers are just angry because _____."

That's what I mean by demonizing a group...


Yet I have never seen you ask the same from C.I., Satana, BBB, etc... It's hypocritical of you to ask anyone to stop if you are unwilling to ask everyone to stop... and actually mean it.


I never asked anyone to stop; I just pointed out what I perceive was happening. And I'm not the cop here. You're perfectly capable of chiding the "liberals" around here...
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 12:07 pm
mysteryman wrote:
Do that.
It would show that Americans are capable of ending a war we didnt start,using a method that cost the fewest overall casualties,both to Americans AND the Japanese.


Is that the first thing you would think of upon observing such carnage? Is that what the Japanese would think of?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 12:09 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Do that.
It would show that Americans are capable of ending a war we didnt start,using a method that cost the fewest overall casualties,both to Americans AND the Japanese.


Is that the first thing you would think of upon observing such carnage? Is that what the Japanese would think of?


I dont care what they would think.
Rmember,they started that war,so whatever happened to them was their own fault.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 12:11 pm
Do you really believe that is true? Whatever happened to them, is their own fault, once their leaders started the war?

Perhaps the terrorists feel the same way; we support the corrupt regimes that they hate, we bomb and kill them, so whatever happens to Americans is our own fault.

Can't you see that neither of you are right?

Can't you see where that kind of thinking gets us?

Cycloptichorn
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 12:13 pm
mysteryman wrote:
I dont care what they would think.
Rmember,they started that war,so whatever happened to them was their own fault.


By that line of reasoning, we started a war in Iraq, so anything that happens to us is our own fault. Way to validate the reasoning of terrorists.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 12:14 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Do you really believe that is true? Whatever happened to them, is their own fault, once their leaders started the war?

Perhaps the terrorists feel the same way; we support the corrupt regimes that they hate, we bomb and kill them, so whatever happens to Americans is our own fault.

Can't you see that neither of you are right?

Can't you see where that kind of thinking gets us?

Cycloptichorn


They have the right to believe that.
But then again,we have the right to utterly destroy them.
Personally,I dont care what they think.
If they attack us,then whatever we do to destroy them is justified,short of nukes.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 12:15 pm
Idiocy like that will get the rest of us killed, even though we do not suffer from the same hateful hysteria . . .
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 12:18 pm
okie wrote:
mysteryman, you need to understand the Dems are mad they've lost their majority. They are the only enlightened ones that care about everyone's rights. The Republicans are all corrupt. The Republicans are right wing nazis. This is the prism through which they see the world. Corruption in the Democratic Party is not corruption because they are doing it for a noble cause. Few Democrats were interested in corruption when their party was in power. They can disagree, but we have the record.


What evidence would turn this fellow's mind around? What, to ask even less, would encourage him to question the cliches that fill up his noggin and permit such sloppiness in thinking?

There's really nothing any of us have to do or argue. The Justice Department investigations are well underway and three or four principals have already plead guilty and are co-operating with prosecutors. The party has prudently removed DeLay from its midst. The broad understanding in Washington (see Newt's recent public statements, or those in the National Review or the WSJ editorials, etc) is that this is a big corruption story and that it involves the Republicans - and if they don't fess up to that and clean house, it will hurt them even bigger than otherwise.

This is a freight train of bad news for the Republicans. What fellows like okie say here might be a curiosity in terms of denial and lack of anything like intellectual rigor but it is completely and totally unimportant.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 12:18 pm
How is it hateful?
If someone attacks this country,am I supposed to care about their feelings?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 12:21 pm
Are civilians of a nation responsible for a government's actions? Careful, now, because there are people who believe that they are. And they used that justification to fly planes into our buildings.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 12:22 pm
Women and children didn't attack us, MM. But they sure are getting killed. Did they deserve it?

Cycloptichorn
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 12:28 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Women and children didn't attack us, MM. But they sure are getting killed. Did they deserve it?

Cycloptichorn


In every conflict,there have been civilian casualties.
They are regretable,and we try our best to avoid them.
But,when the enemy hides among the civilian population,then the enemy is responsible for their safety and welfare.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 12:29 pm
Setanta wrote:
Just another measure of the hypocricy at the heart of all of McWhitey's "contribution" here--when he first showed up, he used as an avatar picture the image of a survivor of the towers with a bloody bandage around his head. It was possible at that time to embarrass him out of its use--but he has since lost all shame. Just as is the case with the Idiot in Chief, he is willing to wrap himself in a flag woven from the death and pain of thousands for base political reasons.


Laughing Laughing

You mean this one?

http://www.lexia.com.ar/ELEMENTS/fisk101201.jpg



You don't know who that is?

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

That's funny!
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 12:32 pm
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In every conflict,there have been civilian casualties.
They are regretable,and we try our best to avoid them.
But,when the enemy hides among the civilian population,then the enemy is responsible for their safety and welfare.


Answer the question. Do they deserve getting bombed by our planes, or not? I don't give a damn how 'regrettable' it is, do they deserve - they being women and children - to get killed?

Don't dance around, say yes or no; unless you are afraid to, that is.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 12:32 pm
Come on, mm, don't be so blind. We went into Iraq with bombs that were termed "shock and awe" and "bunker busters."

You are now telling us we are trying to minimize civilian casualties? Get real; by best estimates, we have killed almost 30,000 innocent Iraqis compared to our loss of about 2,200 with some not directly related to combat.

You either fail in logic, or semantics - and probably both.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 12:36 pm
mm, Here's a question for you. How would you feel if you were a Iraqi with those kinds of facts?

Don't forget what Cheney said before our invasion; "they will welcome us as liberators"

If that's anything close to being liberated, I would prefer peace - without an active war in my home country.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 12:45 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:
In every conflict,there have been civilian casualties.
They are regretable,and we try our best to avoid them.
But,when the enemy hides among the civilian population,then the enemy is responsible for their safety and welfare.


Answer the question. Do they deserve getting bombed by our planes, or not? I don't give a damn how 'regrettable' it is, do they deserve - they being women and children - to get killed?

Don't dance around, say yes or no; unless you are afraid to, that is.

Cycloptichorn


NO,THEY DO NOT DESERVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is that clear enough for you???

But,it happens and while regetable,is unavoidable.
If you dont want women and children to get killed,then persuade all the insurgents in Iraq to meet us in the open instead of hiding behind womens skirts.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 12:46 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
mm, Here's a question for you. How would you feel if you were a Iraqi with those kinds of facts?

Don't forget what Cheney said before our invasion; "they will welcome us as liberators"

If that's anything close to being liberated, I would prefer peace - without an active war in my home country.


All the civilians I met when I was there DID welcome us.It was the military and the Hussein regime that opposed us.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2006 12:46 pm
That's a pretty stupid reply . . . there would be no insurgents in Iraq if we had not invaded for the venal motives of a greedy and criminal regime--in the White House . . .
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