The Abramoff scandal investigation

FreeDuck wrote:

Were they the ones saying that FDR lied and knew about the attack at Pearl Harbor? Or is that not what you were getting at?

Who's the "they," the anti-war people I mentioned?

0 Replies

okie wrote:

You people are forgetting that FDR LIED. He knew about the impending attack at Pearl Harbor to get us into war. It was his fault. He has blood on his hands. By the way, there were anti-war nuts around during WWII as well. My parents told me about them.

Furthermore, Japan had reason to attack after we embargoed them, or were using unfair trade policies against them.

Hmm.. it seems that the Taliban and their agents Al Qaeda had a reason to attach the US then since we embargoed Afghanistan. Or doesn't it work that way nowadays okie? I guess Bush has blood on his hands since he didn't remove that embargo the minute he got into office if we follow your logic.

0 Replies

Kind of looks like it. FDR of course did. I kind of think Lincoln does too. A half million people died for what? So the blacks could go free to be abused and discriminated against, and to live in poverty for the next 230 years?

P.S. What does this have to do with Abramoff and all his dirty money. By the way, is Tom Daschle's wife still lobbying for the airlines? She probably doesn't get her things through like she used to. Just wondering what happened to her? Maybe somebody here would know. If nobody knows, I'll check all of my jillions of comic books. Maybe Trudeau knows?

0 Replies

Abramoff Scandal Threatens to Derail Reed's Political Ambitions

By Kristin Jensen and Laurence Viele Davidson
Jan. 11 (Bloomberg) -- The Washington scandal over lobbyist Jack Abramoff may claim a casualty outside the nation's capital: Ralph Reed, a former presidential-campaign adviser who once headed one of the U.S.'s largest Christian activist groups.

Disclosures that Reed once ran an anti-gambling campaign that was secretly financed by casino-owning clients of his friend Abramoff have damaged his ability to raise funds for a bid to become Georgia's next lieutenant governor, other Republicans say. That may undercut his chances of winning an office that he could use as a steppingstone to national political ambitions, they say.

Campaign-finance reports filed this week show that Reed, 44, lagged behind opponent Casey Cagle in fundraising for the July 18 Republican primary during the past six months, after collecting more than twice as much money as his rival before that. Cagle raised $667,000 from June 30 to Dec. 31 to Reed's $404,000.

``A lot of those big corporate donors are now hedging their bets,'' said Matt Towery, the 1990 Republican candidate for lieutenant governor, who was once a colleague of Reed's on Capitol Hill. ``Ralph faces a very difficult and now problematic candidacy.''

An Atlanta Journal-Constitution poll last month showed Cagle and Reed would perform about equally well against the Democrats in the November election. The poll was conducted by Zogby International before Abramoff pleaded guilty to fraud and conspiring to corrupt public officials.

For Reed, who once seemed invincible, with broad support in his party and wide name recognition, that isn't good news, said Towery, who now publishes Insider Advantage, a guide to politics.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aG6gHO3vwYZQ

0 Replies

okie wrote:

Kind of looks like it. FDR of course did. I kind of think Lincoln does too. A half million people died for what? So the blacks could go free to be abused and discriminated against, and to live in poverty for the next 230 years?

P.S. What does this have to do with Abramoff and all his dirty money. By the way, is Tom Daschle's wife still lobbying for the airlines? She probably doesn't get her things through like she used to. Just wondering what happened to her? Maybe somebody here would know. If nobody knows, I'll check all of my jillions of comic books. Maybe Trudeau knows?

0 Replies

mysteryman, I've figured out how to argue on this forum. Agree with them. And read Trudeau. "He's a national treasure." Do you have any of his cartoons in your collection? I want to be intelligent, don't you?

0 Replies

okie wrote:

mysteryman, I've figured out how to argue on this forum. Agree with them. And read Trudeau. "He's a national treasure." Do you have any of his cartoons in your collection? I want to be intelligent, don't you?

Hey, that might work better than your present way of making claims and not being able to back them up in any fashion. Whether it will make you more intelligent, I have my doubts.

0 Replies

http://blogs.citypages.com/canderson/images/kickbackmtn.jpg

Cycloptichorn

0 Replies

okie wrote:

FreeDuck wrote:
Were they the ones saying that FDR lied and knew about the attack at Pearl Harbor? Or is that not what you were getting at?

Who's the "they," the anti-war people I mentioned?

Yes.

0 Replies

okie wrote:

You people are forgetting that FDR LIED. He knew about the impending attack at Pearl Harbor to get us into war. It was his fault. He has blood on his hands. By the way, there were anti-war nuts around during WWII as well. My parents told me about them.

Furthermore, Japan had reason to attack after we embargoed them, or were using unfair trade policies against them.

This constitutes a blatant lie.

Our embargo was perfectly legal, and when there is an embargo, the contention that there were "unfair trade practices" is hilariously stupid.

Don't make sh!t up.

0 Replies

Geeze, this is incredible. So, Okie, now you're a prophet?

If blacks were to live in poverty for 230 years, that means 1865 plus 230 years equals 2095--does this mean you predict that all blacks will be in an impoverished state 90 years from now ? ! ? ! ?

How can you argue anything from history when you are so ludicrously ill-informed?

0 Replies

Quote:

How can you argue anything from history when you are so ludicrously ill-informed?

He doesn't know he is.

0 Replies

Make it 140 years of poverty and suppression. Is it much less evil? I'm only trying to agree with you people here. Give me a break.

0 Replies

On November 27th, 1941, the same day that Admiral Nagumo's First Air Fleet steamed from Hitokappu Bay, bound for Hawaii, the Operations Bureau of the Department of the Navy sent the "war warning" message to all commands.

From U.S.S. Enterprise CV6 web site:

Quote:

November 27: Magic issues a warning to all American commands: "NEGOTIATIONS WITH JAPAN APPEAR TERMINATED." In Hawaii, Pacific Fleet Commander in Chief, Admiral Husband Kimmel, receives an additional warning: "THIS DISPATCH IS TO BE CONSIDERED A WAR WARNING ... AGGRESSIVE ACTION EXPECTED BY JAPAN IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS."

Admiral Halsey, in command of Task Force 2, issued the following order the next day, November 28, 1941:

U.S.S. ENTERPRISE

At Sea
November 28, 1941

BATTLE ORDER NUMBER ONE

1. The ENTERPRISE is now operating under war conditions.

2. At any time, day or night, we must be ready for instant
action.

3. Hostile submarines may be encountered.

4. The importance of every officer and man being specially
alert and vigilant while on watch at his battle station
must be fully realized by all hands.

5. The failure of one man to carry out his assigned task
promptly, particularly the lookouts, those manning the
batteries, and all those on watch on the deck, might
result in great loss of life and even loss of the ship.

6. The Captain is confident all hands will prove equal to
any emergency that may develop.

7. It is part of the tradition of our Navy that, when put
to the test, all hands keep cool, keep their heads, and
FIGHT.

8. Steady nerves and stout hearts are needed now.

G. D. MURRAY,
Captain, U.S. Navy
Commanding

Approved: November 28, 1941.
W. F. HALSEY,
Vice Admiral, U.S. Navy,
Commander Aircraft, Battle Force

It is complete horseshit that FDR knew about an attack and didn't warn anyone. That Lt. Gen. Walter Short, Army commander in Hawaii, and therefore commanding all United States Army Air Forces in the islands, took inappropriate measures, and that Admiral Husband Kimmel, commanding the United States Pacific Fleet, took no measures to deal with a possible attack--in no way authorizes lies such as that which Okie has posted.

Admiral Halsey knew what was up, and acted appropriately. He could not have done so without advanced notice of likely Japanese intentions--which had been sent to all commanders by the Departments of the Army and of the Navy, at the orders of President Roosevelt.

0 Replies

FDR could have ordered all ships out of the harbor. I still say its his fault. Besides, he was a Democrat.

0 Replies

BBB
Okie takes enormous pride in his knowledge and intelligence without justification.

BBB

0 Replies

okie wrote:

FDR could have ordered all ships out of the harbor. I still say its his fault.

Then you'd be complaining that he was micromanaging. You display a breath-taking ignorance of the entire situation in Hawaii in 1941. What you say on the matter doesn't mean jackshit when it comes to the historical record.

Quote:

Besides, he was a Democrat.

And that's what really frosts your balls, ain't it?

So, like, do you go to www.incrediblystupidconspiracytheories-dot-com to get your daily fix of this horsie poop? Do you belong to some kind of club? This is, truly, hilarious

0 Replies

So, Okie . . . when FDR orders them out of the harbor on November 27th, what were they going to do? Steam around until their bunkers were empty?

You crack me up . . .

0 Replies

Not to get us back on topic, but I just finally got around to reading up on the K Street project. Holy ****! I'm sure it's all perfectly legal but is that ethical?

0 Replies

Okie wrote

Quote:

By the way, there were anti-war nuts around during WWII as well. My parents told me about them.

Did Mommy and Daddy tell you they were isolationists and were against participating in any foreign war. Believing that the vastness of the Atlantic and Pacific oceans would protect the US. That all ended with the bombing of Pearl Harbor.

0 Replies

The Abramoff scandal investigation

Related Topics

Quick Links

My Account

able2know