cicerone imposter wrote:I only wish the people in the US were as outraged for being mislead into this war with Iraq. But, nay, GWBush still enjoys a very high approval rating. Tis a mystery I'll never understand. c.i.
It is most likely due to the fact that most Americans look at the liberation of Iraq to be for the greater good of the Iraqi populace regardless of the reasons the politicians put forth.
If you put aside the bickering over WMD's (which even the U.N. and the rest of the world all agreed that Iraq had prior to the war) Iraq will be in a much better position globally once a new government is in place and a steady economy is functioning.
McGentrix wrote:
It is most likely due to the fact that most Americans look at the liberation of Iraq to be for the greater good of the Iraqi populace regardless of the reasons the politicians put forth.
I'm glad to live in a part of the world, where even politicians have to obey the law and constitution.
Walter, It's just that some people do not understand "international laws." People seem to claim "for the greater good of the Iraqi populace," but fail to mention that the war in Iraq is not terminated. More Americans are being killed. The Iraqi people did not ask the US and UK to liberate them. The world community was against this war. Some Iraqi's want the US to butt out. Finally, this administration keeps claiming a "democracy for Iraq," but wants to choose it's leader. So much for "democracy." c.i.
re planting false evidence of WOMD...
The pressure to present evidence will surely increase both in Britain and the US particularly, but also in Australia (I haven't read about what is going on in Spain).
The US strategy of denying objective observers under Blix or someone like him in the search for WOMD is deeply suspicious in itself, and will do great damage to the credibility of anything that is 'found'. The revelations of 'sexing up' intelligence estimates and the revelations that war had been decided on much earlier than they admitted (recall Ari's daily insistence that no decision had yet been made) has also undermined their credibility.
Thus, the idiots have put themselves in the position where the only possible outcome which will seem credible is if no weapons are found - therebye demonstrating that they at least didn't plant false evidence.
Is that called, "between a rock and a hard place?"
c.i.
no, between Iraq and a hard place . . .
McGentrix (and Welcome...) you said:
Quote:If you put aside the bickering over WMD's (which even the U.N. and the rest of the world all agreed that Iraq had prior to the war) Iraq will be in a much better position globally once a new government is in place and a steady economy is functioning.
This is what we have been fed to believe. We broke it, and now we don't know how to fix it. If we had the tenacity of the Brits, when they were colonizing tout le monde, we would commit for the long haul, send in several hundred thousand troops to back up a legion of civil administrators, and get the country working again. After two or three years, when all of the institutions are back in place, and the hospitals, schools, and the police are working efficiently, and people are being paid for work, then, and only then, should we talk about free elections. The elections should not take place until the country has had a chance to learn about democracy and how it works. Otherwise, this will become another Afghanistan, run by warlords.
We were fierce in the fighting (a la the PNAC) but we didn't have the guts to follow through. We thought all we had to do was wave a sword and say, Democracy reigns.
Kara, A small correction; the administration's rhetoric was/is "democracy will reign." Most of us skeptics knew before this war even started that many problems would follow. How can we not see it? Three separate groups vying for leadersihp roles; and they've been at each other's throats for more than 35 years of Saddam's reign. The only way Saddam controlled it, was if anybody spoke out of line, they lost their heads - literally. c.i.
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I'm glad to live in a part of the world, where even politicians have to obey the law and constitution.
I'm sure you will agree, Walter, that this is, at best, a very recent phenomenon in the hisory of continental Europe.
george,
The revelance would be...?
That the original statement doesn't have much significance.
Please explain. As of now I think you are taking me to a very silly place.
No, on the contrary, it's you...
As an explanation that leaves much to be desired.
Again, what relevance to the US's obligations to law and order does the date in which others accepted the rule of law have?
Awaiting something of substance, hoping against a nonsensical oneliner.....
The last answer was not nearly so nonsensical as the question.
I don't accept the proposition that, in any meaningful way, Europe has accepted constitutional rule and/or "law and order" while the United States has not. Further, from an historical perspective, the assertion to the contrary is a bit absurd.
That much is clear. I have yet to read you question the US at all.
I was not asking for the usual "I love us and we is mo better than you".
I was asking you to substantiate your remarks. That you believe them is self evident.
Again, and this must be tedious even to you, what relevance does the degree to which other nations accept the rule of law indicate the level to which such an ideal should be respected by the nation you play sycophant for?
And, by what stretch are you operating under to assume US innocence of legal transgressions.
Please, the "no it's you" sounds liek a 3 year old. Even I suspect you are capable of more that that, if not the absence of fallacy.
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Quote:I'm glad to live in a part of the world, where even politicians have to obey the law and constitution.
I'm sure you will agree, Walter, that this is, at best, a very recent phenomenon in the hisory of continental Europe.
I would ask how long do you think that will last. With Europes bloody history i should think not very long. My hope is that we stay out of it this time and let them have at it.
