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The US, UN & Iraq III

 
 
Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2003 07:34 am
McTag

Blair would be a war criminal had the war been illegal. It was illegal before it started but now we've won its all legal and Blair is a war hero not a criminal. No I don't understand either.

We went to war to disarm Saddam. Now my question is where is Saddam, and why have we not disarmed Iraq?

Perc, Where would you relocate NATO hq to? Moscow?
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perception
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2003 07:34 am
Belgium and France just don't get it-----
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perception
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2003 07:45 am
Perc, Where would you relocate NATO hq to? Moscow?

Hardly---Putin still doesn't realize his mistake but he will soon.

I would favor moving Nato to the Czech Republic----I'm fairly certain they would appreciate the money brought in by having the headquarters there. Belgium obviously doesn't.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2003 07:50 am
some nations/cultures favor their ethos over their bankbook
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2003 07:53 am
A slide show of the lost treasures of Iraq

http://www-oi.uchicago.edu/OI/IRAQ/SLIDESHOW/slideshow.html
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perception
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2003 07:56 am
Steve

Have any idea why your traitorous hero Mr.George Galloway is hiding in Portugal?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2003 07:58 am
perc

As you wrote, this is a law way back from 1993.
Didn't disturb you the years before.

Shouldn't do so now either, since it's been changed this year.

(All certainly known to you, since you follow up international news and the way US money, as I see.)
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perception
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2003 08:01 am
News item of note---US moves out of Saudi Arabia----this alone is reason enough to attack Iraq----besides removing a murdering thug from power, liberating the Iraqi people, and controlling the oil in the middle east, the US no longer is in a position of being blackmailed by those greedy thugs in Saudi Arabia. Wake up to reality forum participants.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2003 08:04 am
Perc, what color is the sky in your world?
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2003 08:07 am
Krugman picks up on Bush and Co's big deceit to American citizens and the world about the threat from Sadaam's stockpile of WOMD (Bush deceit apologists should read this as 'little white fib for the good of everyone')
Quote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/29/opinion/29KRUG.html
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perception
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2003 08:09 am
Bright sun with beautiful blue sky in mine not the perpetual rain, doom and gloom in yours Gel.
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Kara
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2003 08:10 am
I think it was a wise move to get out of Saudi Arabia. A friend put me onto an interesting article in May issue of the Atlantic magazine. The Fall of the House of Saud by Robert Baer is a piece excerpted from his book to be published in June, Sleeping With the Devil.
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Kara
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2003 08:12 am
blatham, I read that piece in the NYTimes, too. I guess I can become even more cynical than I already am.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2003 08:12 am
gunpowder gray
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perception
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2003 08:14 am
No one has mentioned the suitcase full of Anthrax powder that caused the death of its courier just yesterday on a ship bound for France or was it Belgium?

The courier was from Egypt and would anyone like to guess the originating country of the Anthrax?
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2003 08:15 am
And...on the happy notion that Korea got all scared when the US pulled out it's really big member and whacked Iraq Texas style macho...
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Earlier, to get to the talks, North Korea abandoned its insistence on a purely bilateral discussion with the U.S., while the U.S. gave up its demand for purely multilateral discussions. It also stopped insisting that North Korea dismantle its nuclear program before any talks.

The Bush administration spun this so artfully that it was widely portrayed as North Korea's backing down in fear after the Iraq war. In fact, Washington caved at least as much as Pyongyang.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/29/opinion/29KRIS.html
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2003 08:23 am
Somethimg very similar to Belgium and France, perc, it was: CANADA. And it happended in Brazil.
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Anthrax kills sailor
April 30, 2003
US detectives were yesterday examining the death from anthrax of an Egyptian seaman who may have been carrying the deadly bug as part of a terrorist plot.
Ibrahim Ibrahim died in Porto Trombetas in Brazil before his freighter left for Canada. He told shipmates he felt sick after opening a suitcase he had been asked to take to Canada. He died that night, April 11, vomiting blood.
Brazilian authorities' initial theory is that anthrax killed him - and they believe his curiosity may have unwittingly foiled terrorists.
Yesterday the ship - which was bound for Quebec -- and crew of 30 were i quarantine off Halifax as local health officials conducted tests.
Anthrax Kills Sailor
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2003 08:28 am
More from Slate on the how Korea got all wishy washy and boot-shakin after the US really showed Sadaam and the world a thing or two... http://slate.msn.com/id/2082164/

Paragons of honesty and the American way, these present administration folks.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2003 08:39 am
"Oh blimey! Look what's sitting here on top of all this rubble!"
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London's Sunday Telegraph focused on exposing secrets, particularly those found in documents discovered in Iraqi intelligence headquarters. The documents allegedly prove that Saddam's regime had ties with al-Qaida since they describe the March 1998 visit to Baghdad of an envoy of Osama Bin Laden's. The paper affirmed that "the purpose of the meeting was to establish a relationship between Baghdad and al-Qa'eda based on their mutual hatred of America and Saudi Arabia." The get-togethers ended with discussion of a possible Bin Laden visit to Baghdad. While the documents contradicted Iraqi denials of an al-Qaida connection, they may be less significant than they seem: The meetings took place five months before the bombings of two U.S. Embassies in East Africa, which is before the Clinton administration placed Bin Laden at the top of its most-wanted list. It was also peculiar that the documents were found "inside a folder lying in the rubble of one of the rooms of the destroyed intelligence HQ," after Iraqi agents "attempted to mask out all references to bin Laden, using white correcting fluid." If the Iraqis feared exposure and knew their time was up, outright destruction of the documents would have been more likely. (This is the second time in a week that British journalists have claimed to find hot docs lying in Iraqi rubble.)
http://slate.msn.com/id/2082114/
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2003 08:54 am
Gelisgesti wrote:
War crime ..... MOI???

Report: Tommy Franks could face war crimes charges
28/04/2003 - 9:17:51 am

Iraqi civilians are preparing to take Allied commander Gen Tommy Franks to court in Belgium, accusing him and other US military officials of war crimes in Iraq, it was reported today.


A senior US official warned that "there will be diplomatic consequences for Belgium" if the complaint is taken up by a court there and Belgian authorities issue indictments against Gen Franks and other US officials.


What, threats of diplomatic consequences for the country if a court decides there is a case to answer? Evidently, the concept of the independence of the courts is an old-fashioned one, and being apparently discarded by US administrators.

McT
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