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The US, UN & Iraq III

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2003 08:27 pm
perception, I'm not sure your perception is too keen if you think I dislike money. Fortunately, my social security check and retirement savings allows me more extravagance than I would have ever dreamed I'd have. Wink c.i.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2003 08:34 pm
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"...everyone including you wants to influence me--they perceive that as giving them a certain amount of power and that's what it's all about ---- not money----POWER..."


Perception: They say that an aluminum foil hat worn day and night for safety can keep Their Influence from getting to you. But keep your windows closed too, just in case, and For God's Sake do not go near the internet which can Creep Through aluminum foil and just about everything else. Good Luck.
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Kara
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2003 08:43 pm
Joe, did you write this:

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How come there isn't a liberal 24 hour a day news channel? That's a contradiction in terms. There isn't liberal news because liberals insist on seeing all sides of an issue, that our glory and perhaps our fatal flaw.


Yes to All Sides. No to Fatal Flaw.
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Vietnamnurse
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2003 09:20 pm
Perception:

I am not trying to influence you to change your mind. All I asked was that you open your mind enough to question sources in the media. A questioning mind is all I asked for and it wasn't just you that I was asking, so don't take it personally. I do not know Arabic, but I do not mind that children make fun of the soldiers...that's what children do. That gives them a little power in a powerless situation. I have a deaf daughter that uses sign language in the same way when others do not know what she is saying.

Fox News is a joke. It is not well regarded among journalists and is parodied often. They have an agenda and if you want to swallow it, they are happy. In fact they thrive on people never questioning their absurdities.
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2003 09:38 pm
Hey, perception - what is it you perceive?

There is an alternative to all this - CNN has constant, perpetual Iraq War programming - only the good parts. What they'll do now that the war is over is a guess. But Iraq should be with us a long while.

So far as translations go, that's another story. I should have thought that somewhere along the line our government would have brought in Arabic speakers so that the translations would come as fast and as regularly as needed. Ah, but I forget. We don't really need to know anything about anywhere else - only what we think is good for them. That's why so much adverse reaction comes as such a surprise. Who on earth realized those different tribal groups in Iraq may not agree with us?
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perception
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2003 09:42 pm
Ho Hum---the spin has spun me out again----I do hope you're satisfied with your denial of reality---have a great night dreaming of liberal fantasies but what a rude awakening you will have tomorrow morning. On the other hand I will wake up to the smell of coffee, bacon, eggs and hash browns grown in the USA, then go to the lake in the USA catch a few fish in the USA, come home to wonderful meal cooked in the USA. Oh and BTW C.I., my pension check and my social security check come from the US Gov't and I know I can count on it being there each month unlike most of the countries in the world.
Gosh I love this country with all of it's warts and a few obnoxious citizens--- it's by far the best there is---I've been to most of 'em so I know.
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2003 09:55 pm
Great Scott! Why would such a perfectly satisfied individual with such a cozy idyllic existence ever frequent such a maniacal, haphazard site as this?

Perhaps to show all us barbaric, backwards, lost babes in the woods the way to true enlightenment?

Oh, my stars and garters, how will I ever be able to express my gratitude that you even bother visiting us!!

Thank you Perception! Thank You thank you thank you!!!!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2003 09:58 pm
And a thank you also from me! Wink c.i.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2003 09:59 pm
geeez now we will just have to talk to each other without rants and slurs.
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perception
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2003 10:25 pm
Yeah but won't it be dull Laughing Laughing Laughing Just had to sneak back and peek in Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2003 10:39 pm
snood: Oh my stars and garters?!?!? That's precious and I'm stealing it!!

dys: Yeah, but we'll figure something out.

By the way, you didn't used to be this guy:

http://remus.rutgers.edu/JethroTull/Photos/Small/aqualung.jpg








did you?
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2003 10:49 pm
I used to read "Fantastic four" comics. One of the characters, Benjamin Grimm, a.k.a. "the Thing", used to say that.
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maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2003 11:02 pm
Joe Nation wrote:
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There isn't liberal news because liberals insist on seeing all sides of an issue, that our glory and perhaps our fatal flaw.


And I just can't stop laughing!!!

Liberals have one, but that is DEFINITELY not it.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 25 Apr, 2003 11:35 pm
perception wrote:
Oh and BTW C.I., my pension check and my social security check come from the US Gov't and I know I can count on it being there each month unlike most of the countries in the world.


"Most countries" means that a lot more than half of the world state's don't pay the pensions of their civil servants.

I was'nt aware of this. Thanks for the info - ehem, any source?
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2003 05:20 am
Sophia: Thanks for your thoughtful answer. Those are solid conditions and I think do able.

Perception: Your answer shows a limited knowledge of Islamic Law. Rather than me instructing you, here is your assignment :
Research, source and discuss how an Islamic government operates.
Extra points for multiple sources with a brief description of how their information varies.

To be completed by Monday morning, let's so as not to interrupt what I hope is a good day of fishing. (Your description of breakfast made me so hungry I've got the bacon frying right now Laughing

Max: Why don't you take the same assignment with a discussion of how Islamic Law is different from Sha'ria. Please review more than two sources.

Word limit for your assignments is 250 words. Your answer may be shorter but it must be complete.

All others should do the same research and be prepared to discuss their reports on Monday evening (US EDT) 7:00pm.

Regards.
Joe
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2003 09:05 am
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After all, they say, Iraqi artifacts don't matter just to Iraqis. Ancient Mesopotamia spans fully half of recorded human history: The Sumerians, Babylonians, Akkadians, and Assyrians are ancestors of us all. These are the people who brought you the 60-minute hour, the 360-degree circle, the signs of the zodiac, city life, criminal courts, and social mobility.
This is a lovely little piece from the CSM http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0424/p11s02-woiq.html
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2003 09:06 am
Published on Thursday, April 24, 2003 by CommonDreams.org
Please Attack Appalachia
by Mike Bryan


Mr. President, please attack Appalachia.

You have promised the Iraqis that they will share in the wealth of their oil. We could use some of that same sharing here. We have coal and timber that is being extracted, yet very little of the profits remain in our area. If the Iraqis are to share in the profits from their natural resources, we would like to share in the profits from ours.

You have promised healthcare for all Iraqis. We could use the same thing here. Far too many of us are without health insurance and adequate access to good healthcare facilities. You have also promised to rebuild the schools in Iraq. We too have schools that need rebuilt and that need more funding.

Certainly you can find a justification for attacking us. We have weapons of mass destruction. Just go inspect the former uranium enrichment plant near Piketon, Ohio. You will still find all sorts of radioactive waste on and around that site. Test our waters. Test our ground. Test our air. You will find an abundance of chemical and biological agents that could be used as weapons. We literally live among them.

After all, Appalachia is America's third world. Terrorists are breeding everywhere. Where there is poverty there is unrest. Where there is poor education there is suspicion. Where there is neglect there is anger. As far as potential dangers go, Appalachia should be near the top of your list. Stomp out the bad before it turns thoroughly evil. Pre-emptively strike us now before it becomes too late. Do it before we make something else out of our fertilizer ingredients.

Since Appalachia is a highly religious area an attack could easily be explained as the fulfillment of prophecy. Many here would even agree with your need to attack us. In fact, we would probably help supply the troops.

Without any long-term energy strategy or alternative planning, once the oil is gone the US will become increasingly dependent on coal and wood. Appalachia has lots of that. Even today, the profitability of many US businesses would be threatened if Appalachia refused to supply them with electricity, coal, and other resources.

Can America afford to wait until a crisis is at hand before attacking Appalachia? The decision is yours. You do not even have to involve the United Nations since we are within US borders. You can go it alone.

The rest of the country will be fairly easy to convince about the need to attack us. The national news media will surely rise to your side. Prejudice against hillbillies already devalues our lives in comparison to those in the rest of the country, so our devastation and casualties would have to be nearly as high as in Iraq before anyone from outside Appalachia complains too loudly. Besides, people here have lived as second-class citizens for so long we now thoroughly expect to be treated as second-class citizens - and the rest of the nation expects to treat us that way. How else could you explain the relatively small outcry currently raised by our exceedingly high unemployment rates, poor education, high pollution, poor healthcare, high poverty, and poor leadership?

In fact, attacking us will probably help cement your re-election.

You might experience some local militia counterstrikes, but those will probably be disorganized and minor. After all, Appalachia lacks any central command, what with its being comprised of the parts of twelve states and only the whole of one state. West Virginia could be your focus. Find someone evil there to target, such as Jay Rockefeller.

He asked the FBI to investigate those forged documents you used to help justify your war against Iraq. How embarrassing that must have been: International Atomic Energy Agency Chief Mohamed ElBaradei addressed the UN and publicly humiliated you by showing your assertion that Iraq was trying to import uranium from Niger was based on crudely faked information. Someone should pay for such an embarrassment and who better than a Democrat who is a Rockefeller?

So Mr. President, you have all the elements you need: weapons of mass destruction, a nearly third world enemy, potential terrorists, someone to call evil, and an easy path to victory. Now all you have to do is attack. And please, do it soon. We need the reparations, better schools, better infrastructure, universal healthcare, and a fair share in the wealth of our own resources.

You also promised Iraq democracy. We could use that here as well.

Please, Mr. President, attack Appalachia next.

Mike Bryan [email protected]
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Kara
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2003 09:30 am
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Perception: They say that an aluminum foil hat worn day and night for safety can keep Their Influence from getting to you. But keep your windows closed too, just in case, and For God's Sake do not go near the internet which can Creep Through aluminum foil and just about everything else. Good Luck.


Tartarin Laughing Laughing
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Kara
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2003 09:35 am
Good piece, Gelisgesti. I think most of us began looking for a US regime change when we heard that one of the first items in the reconstruction of Iraq would be universal health care.

Joe Nation, I am eager to read the assigned essays on Islamic governments and on Islamic law v. the Sharia. I am reading Karen Armstrong's Islam. Learning a lot.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 26 Apr, 2003 09:47 am
Brady Keisling, the US ambassador to Greece who resigned in protest of the administrations push to war and its behavior in so pushing...writes in the NY Review upon returning to visit Greece http://www.nybooks.com/articles/16250
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