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The US, UN & Iraq III

 
 
perception
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 07:34 pm
Which? Black helicopter or crop circle? Very Happy
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 07:37 pm
Both; we're being invaded! Wink
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 07:38 pm
They don't probe me CI. < raises eyebrow >
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wolf
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 07:44 pm
Poor lost souls...
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 07:51 pm
Crop Circles got souls?!?!?!?!?
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wolf
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 07:54 pm
Tk, your favorite webpage has been dead for weeks. Shows how much you care for what happened on 9/11.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 07:57 pm
"It was hell" recalls former child .................................
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 08:51 pm
perception wrote:
Got to take a break to read "Hatred's Kingdom"-----Wahhabism and the Saudi regime.

A very good book. You probably will not like it, though.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 08:53 pm
Quote:
US authorities in Iraq were warned last week that a large-scale terrorist attack on a 'soft' target in Baghdad was being planned.

The warning emerged as rescue teams searched the wreckage of the bombed UN headquarters where at least 20 people, including the senior UN envoy Sergio Vieira de Mello, died in yesterday's suicide truck bombing.

The death toll is expected to rise - some reports said a further four bodies had been found today.

Ahmad Chalabi, a member of the Governing Council and leader of the Iraqi National Congress, said that during a meeting on 14 August "we received information that a large-scale terror attack would take place in Baghdad.

The information said that the attack would be aimed at a soft target, not the American military or forces. The information said the attack would use a truck and would be carried out by using a suicide mechanism or by remote control. We shared this information with the Americans."


US Warned a Week Ago

Chalabi warned of this a week ago...? Shocked[/quote]
Challabi is such a shifty character, I would not be surprised if he has ties to the Iraqi resistance as well.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 08:56 pm
timberlandko wrote:
Ain't nobody shouted timber down ... timber just hasn't seen much here lately which motivates him to respond. Besides, there's been this black helicopter hangin' around my crop circles .....

Perhaps you should consult a mammalogist for that crazed hedgehog problem of yours! Very Happy
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 08:57 pm
craven

I wasn't referring to opinions expressed, or challenged, but to the tone and intent. Food-fight discourse, but not as funny.
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Kara
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 08:57 pm
hb, I wondered about that. Chalabi has not been reliable.
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sumac
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 09:02 pm
Kara, what is lib-con group? Please educate this uninformed person.

And I don't understand the implication that while intelligence might have, or did have, warning that a big attack on a soft target was to happen, that such intelligence makes the Americans complicitous in such an attack. Illogical.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 09:05 pm
Kara wrote:
hb, I wondered about that. Chalabi has not been reliable.

Consider how much of the bad intel has come from Chalabi & Co.:
The mass quantities of NBC weapons, poised to strike.
The exact locations of these weapons.
The presumed readiness of the Iraqi people to welcome the US in without resistance.
The fierce resistance Hussein would put up.
Iraq's mythical ties with al-Quaeda.
The presumtion that the Iraqi people would embrace Chalabi and the INC and immediately approve him as president.

These are just the examples from the top of my head. No one other than the neo-con group (Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle,et al..) thought Chalabi was a valid source. The State Dept. , the DIA,and the CIA all considered him an unreliable source. Despite this, the little groupa round Bush ignored the opinions of those who were likely to know what they were talking about, and instead listened to Chalabi tell them what they wanted to hear. I don't think that they have changed their behaviour any in the recent past. Believing information you wish to be true is a common human failing, but in a world leader it is a hottible personality flaw.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 09:19 pm
Kara -- Many of us who lived through both the Vietnam and Central American eras of American cover-ups are deeply suspicious about the US's actions on foreign soil. That may seem outrageous to many here, but if one looks closely at our recent history, it would seem outrageous to trust our government, frankly. I take nothing on faith when it comes to American extraterritorial actions.
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sumac
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 09:26 pm
Speaking of the absence of good logic, the following was the lead statement in today's NYT about the referenced article:

"Attorney General John Ashcroft said that any attempt to strip law enforcement agents of their expanded legal powers could open the way to further terrorist attacks."
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 09:31 pm
We are also constantly reminded of the terrorist alerts to make sure the American People don't forget why this administration continues to usurp our constitutional rights and those of other countries.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 09:52 pm
The US offered security services for the UN building in Iraq and the UN said no thanks. They wanted to be free of the imperialistic US forces, and had no fear of any threat, because their job in Iraq was purely humanitarian.

And...they had their own Blue Hats.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 09:53 pm
Ouch
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Wed 20 Aug, 2003 09:56 pm
Sofia wrote:
The US offered security services for the UN building in Iraq and the UN said no thanks. They wanted to be free of the imperialistic US forces, and had no fear of any threat, because their job in Iraq was purely humanitarian.

And...they had their own Blue Hats.

I do understand their reasoning. They wished to be seen as non-partisan. THis was impossible. The UN is seen as a US stooge by many in the region. Sad
the blue beanies ARE a nice fashion statement, though.
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