The US, UN & Iraq III

c.i.:

I meant it with a sense of humor (and I hope percy takes it that way).

BTW, I want to see any more pictures you have of your Canada trip.

Yes lord Mama

Same tired worn out conspiracy of the Neo-Cons with Bush as the dupe-----don't you ever get tired of that argument?

You guys don't seem to remember the sand storm about 3 days into the war-----dire predictions about how the troops were "bogged down" and had fallen into a trap.
10 days later Saddams statue was coming down in the center of Baghdad. The doom and gloom you guys forcast never seems to happen and you can't live with it----bitter pill isn't it.

Pdid:
Don't look now but I've been hired just to piss you off----Your comments always indicate that I'm successful.

The UN envoy for Iraq, a High commissioner for Human Rights, has been slain in today's bomb explosion.

When will it all end...

perc's quote: "-----dire predictions about how the troops were "bogged down" and had fallen into a trap." Let's forget about "sand storm" and look at the present situation where our military is suffering one dead almost daily. Are we doing this for the Iraqi People or the American People? If it's for the Iraqi People, do you have family or friends in the military in Iraq today? Just wondering if all this cost in billions and American human lives are worth - what was that justification again? c.i.

PDid, Posted five more photos on littlek's photo webshare site. c.i.

You don't bother me, percy.

Now, Bush...



Wa Po

The lies just don't bother you one bit, do they?

PD, you miss the point - he is sold on the lies

And so is Bush

BillW, Bush is the source.

mamajuana, that was an excellent post. Spot on.

You Just Don't Bomb Other People's Kids

What do you do with other people's kids.... Well, you feed them, of course. You figure out what's in your fridge that resembles what they're used to at home. You talk to them. You find out if they would like to make a picture with paints or magic markers (though you secretly hope they say magic markers which are so much easier to deal with). You make them feel safe and loved when they come up to you looking a little scared wondering why mom hasn't picked them up yet, and you say she's almost here, she just called as she was leaving work -- you're hoping that accident on the Parkway isn't going to add another hour to this kid's wait -- and wouldn't you like to pick out a video...Magic School Bus? Dora the Explorer? You find out if they want white milk or chocolate milk, chicken nuggets or meatballs, a Power Puff Girls cup or a Barbie cup.

These are what you do for other people's kids.

One of the things you don't do to other people's kids is bomb them and burn them alive. And blow the limbs off their little sisters and blind their little brothers. And send their mothers (stained with blood and stuck all over with little pieces of broken glass) running away from flames, shrieking with grief.

You just really don't do that.

And you don't kill their daddies. And you don't steal their countries and their assets. And as for how you act when a kid comes up to you and says he's thirsty, well, you find out if he likes ice cubes or just plain water, sippy cup or big boy cup or the Spiderman sports bottle or would you rather have the last inch of apple juice from the bottle in the fridge. You don't cut off their drinking water and make them desperate with thirst and sick with cholera.

And let me tell you, you just do not turn off their electricity! You're supposed to turn on the night-light so they aren't scared. Why on earth would you cut off their electricity?!

And you certainly don't leave radioactive containers lying around for them to drink out of. Or unexploded bombs for them to play with. You don't make their moms afraid to go out for fear of being robbed and raped. You don't break down their door in the middle of the night and hold machine guns to their older brothers' faces.

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These are things you just don't do to other people's kids. Whether they live next door to you, down the street from you, across the country or across the globe. You just don't do these things to other people's kids.

Mary Walworth is a speech-language therapist and mother living in central New Jersey.

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/08/20_kids.html

There was a good man lost today in the bombing. There were many other good people lost, I know, but the man in charge of the mission in Iraq was an unusual human being. I read a story about him a month ago; he spent his life committed to bringing peace and justice where it was possible.

perception, regarding your list of quoted warnings about Saddam Hussein, over the years after the first Gulf war. A list like that can look formidable and convincing but these voices were few and far between, and all of the dire predictions of his nuclear weapons program and his stockpiles of WMDs have all been proven wrong.

Yes, he is a monster. Yes, he was a tyrant and a torturer. But his weapons programs were vitiated after the first Gulf war, and our inspections were showing that. He was being contained.

It is acceptance of unsupported statements, such as those made by many whom you quote from both sides of the aisle, that got us into this. The US has known many tyrants and has dealt with them in differing ways. There is absolutely no justification for what we did in Iraq.

Wish I could agree with you, but he is a dupe - he doesn't have the intelligence to be a source, he does what he is told :sad:

C"mon C.I.

We kill more in one day here on the road than we kill in Iraq in a month----and If we weren't there how many do you think Saddam would kill in a month?

Your queasyness about the lives being lost is not relevant.

Now the money----that's another story. :wink:

perc, There's a huge difference between accidental death and intentional death. BIG. c.i.

Why???? explain it to me please.

But try to type slowly.

Congratulations Perception. You are no longer fit to be a member of civilized society. One of the reasons that folks like Hussein are successful is that there are people who think exactly like you seem to who support them. I'm curious, do you torture small animals in your basement? Do you secretly wish to dismember other people?
Have you ever seen anyone die from traumatic injures like burns or crush injuries or gunshot-wounds? I have. Killing people is easy. We break and bleed and die with very little effort on the part of others. Killing is so easy even children can do it (ask stressid, I'm sure he will be happy to enlighten you,and will probably be happy to hunt for subjects with you to experiment on!) . Part of the problem is that American society has been insulated enough that it has bought into the "war is fun and glorious and noble" arguement. Its chief salespeople, like Bush and Rummy,and Cheney,and Rice, Perle and Wolfy and others have never actually been in combat, but that is just a small detail. You wouldn't want them to get their hands dirty, now would you?
I'm offended that you are breathing O2 that could be used by a human being. Courtesy prevents me from using the sort of language your callousness deserves, or from making the suggestion about your existence that begs to be made. You disgust me.

Hobitbob

Yes--we bleed and we die sometimes in horrible ways ---like for example in a multicar pile-up in the fog on an interstate. Burned and slashed and broken---those that die have no more cares or worries just like those who die in war. The difference lies with those who would use the deaths and injuries to make a political statement as do the suicide bombers and their supporters.

In your response regarding Wahhabism yesterday you as an "expert" gave the broad brush treatment to the impact of Wahhabism on the rest of Islam. Tell me sir, is that because you don't want people to know how deadly Wahhabism is to the world and in particular to Islam

Why don't you express your outrage about the suicide bombing in Baghdad to day? You probably supported and cheered when you heard about it. Save your meaningless sense of outrage for the next victims of one of the righteous true believers of Islam.

perc, Your posts aren't relevant. You'll not see me respond to any more of your q's to me. c.i.