The US, UN & Iraq III

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There is more - the last of the Bush Regime lies refuted, yet they will not and can not justify their lies..........

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mamajuana, maybe he has questions within himself about a position he has taken, as I sometimes do. And the more passionately held the position, and the more partisan the view, the more it is in need of a second look.

I think one can look at things in parts, sometimes, rather than in the whole. The "whole" issues of, say, abortion, civil unions, free trade, tax cuts, affirmative action, national security, you name it, are daunting if one must decide that the whole issue is either black or white, right or wrong. Just because one is a conservative generally does not mean that he must fall into a stereotype of conservative thinking on every issue. Same with a "liberal." I am a liberal about many things, but I am not a tax-and-spender. I am a strong supporter of free trade (but...) There is nothing I enjoy more than a well articulated argument against what I believe (or thought I believed until that moment.)

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Try again, perception. That really wasn't clear.

Although I think you might be surprised at the number of people who would vote for Clinton again.

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Mama wrote:

CNN quick poll just now asked if the public thought Bush could turn around the economy by 2004. 8% said yes; 92% said no.

Mama---when it comes to money---how often is the public correct?

Sixteen months is quite a long time especially since it's already started to turn. At any rate CNN probably polled 10 blind Bush bashers.

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More proof the emperor wears no clothes <yipes>

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perception, this is another take on the "turn" in the economy: Laughing

A young man walked into the local welfare office, marched straight up to the counter and said, "Hi, I hate drawing welfare. I would really rather find a job."

The man behind the counter replied, "Your timing is amazing! We just got a listing from a very wealthy man who wants a chauffeur/bodyguard for his nymphomaniac daughter. You'll have to drive around in a big black Mercedes, and the suits, shirts, and ties are provided. Because of the long hours on this job, meals will also be provided and you will also be required to escort this young lady on her overseas holiday trips.
The salary is $200,000 a year."

The young man said, "You're bullshitting me."

The man behind the counter said, "Well, you started it."

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Kara

Great story Kara but what's that got to do with the "turn" in the economy? :wink:

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Mama wrote:

Try again, perception. That really wasn't clear.

If you still believe in Clinton and Hillary you are so closed minded you are INcapable of conceiving doubts. Rolling Eyes

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Boy is this scary----if I were a johnny nobody of doubtful extraction this would be my weapon of choice. I won't say how I would use it for fear that it might actually happen

Model plane goes transatlantic
The plane flew at 270 metres over the Atlantic Ocean on autopilot
An international team of model aeroplane enthusiasts say they have managed the first successful flight by a lightweight remote-controlled plane across the Atlantic.

US, Canadian and Irish engineers worked together to ensure "The Spirit of Butts Farm" - named after its testing site - landed safely in County Galway, Ireland on Monday 11 August, some 38 hours after it took off from Canada.

The balsa wood and mylar plane flew 3,039 kilometres (1,888 miles) using satellite navigation and an autopilot system overseen by engineers and radio operators using laptop computers.

If the flight is certified by the Federation Aeronautique Internationale, it will break world records for distance travelled by a model aeroplane as well as duration of flight.

In order for the records to be broken, the plane had to weigh less than five kilograms, including its "camping lantern" fuel.

Dave Brown, president of the American Academy of Model Aeronautics, told BBC News Online it had been "pins and needles" waiting for the plane to come into view over the Irish coast.

"When it suddenly appeared over our heads, we were ecstatic," he said.

"We already lost three planes in 2002. We got one of five models this year to travel 500 miles, but they all eventually ended up in the drink apart from this one. This is the first time we've actually done it."

Doubts

Mr Brown said there had been some tense moments, especially when hourly satellite updates pinpointing the plane's whereabouts failed for three hours.

"Then 10 minutes after the team called around to say another attempt had failed, it re-appeared," Mr Brown said.

He established direct radio control of the model after seeing it, before bringing it in for landing close to the designated landing spot .

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All eyes turn to the skys as in the background the air raid warden screams 'TURN OUT THAT LIGHT AND BLANKET THAT DOOR'.

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A

http://www.allhatnocattle.net/ahnc%20gop%20makeover1.jpg

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S t a t e m e n t o f P u r p o s e
BRING THEM HOME NOW! is a campaign of military families, veterans, active duty personnel, reservists and others opposed to the ongoing war in Iraq and galvanized to action by George W. Bush's inane and reckless challenge to armed Iraqis resisting occupation to "Bring 'em on."

Our mission is to mobilize military families, veterans, and GIs themselves to demand: an end to the occupation of Iraq and other misguided military adventures; and an immediate return of all US troops to their home duty stations.

The truth is coming out. The American public was deceived by the Bush administration about the motivation for and intent of the invasion of Iraq. It is equally apparent that the administration is stubbornly and incompetently adhering to a destructive course. Many Americans do not want our troops there. Many military families do not want our troops there. Many troops themselves do not want to be there. The overwhelming majority of Iraqis do not want US troops there.

Our troops are embroiled in a regional quagmire largely of our own government's making. These military actions are not perceived as liberations, but as occupations, and our troops are now subject to daily attacks. Meanwhile, without a clear mission, they are living in conditions of relentless austerity and hardship. At home, their families are forced to endure extended separations and ongoing uncertainty.

As military veterans and families, we understand that hardship is sometimes part of the job. But there has to be an honest and compelling reason to impose these hardships and risks on our troops, our families, and our communities. The reasons given for the occupation of Iraq does not rise to this standard.

Without just cause for war, we say bring the troops home now!

Not one more troop killed in action. Not one more troop wounded in action. Not one more troop psychologically damaged by the act of terrifying, humiliating, injuring or killing innocent people. Not one more troop spending one more day inhaling depleted uranium. Not one more troop separated from spouse and children. This is the only way to truly support these troops, and the families who are just as much part of the military as they are.

Bush says "Bring 'em on." We say BRING THEM HOME NOW!

http://www.wanderbody.com/bringthemhomenow/images/pics/pic_oneweek.jpg

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Gel wrote:

Bush says "Bring 'em on." We say BRING THEM HOME NOW!

Since you retransmitted the above you must favor that proposed action
If that is the case you should retitle the article to read : SADDAM'S GUERRILLAS IN AMERICAN WIN IN THE SAME MANNER AS HO CHI MINHS GUERRILLAS IN AMERICA WON THE VIETNAM WAR.-----SADDAM will come out of his hole and resume his rampage of terror and oppression . It is just what his thugs want. It is a typical knee jerk emotional reaction that is pushed to the front page when the water gets choppy. Saddam is counting on you guys. He's saying: "If I can just hold out another month or so I'll win" the US will cave in.

All those good guys will have died in vain----is that what you want?

Just like Vietnam!

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In Vietnam and Iraq -- though they were very different wars -- we made the same mistakes: we sent in troops when we shouldn't have, and we sent them in without forethought and planning. And now we blame those who protested this? Those who told the truth?

What's the conservative core philosophy? Invade, lie, and blame others? Sure looks that way.

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Lead editorial, today's New York Times:

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August 14, 2003
White House Fantasies on Iraq

Someday, in the months ahead, there may be an Iraq where a smoothly run American occupation authority has dealt devastating setbacks to terrorism, brought security to most of the country, improved infrastructure and basic services, and elicited encouraging signs of democracy, economic renewal and cultural rebirth. Unfortunately, right now that Iraq exists only in the pages of the implausibly upbeat 100-day progress report recently issued by the White House.

In Iraq today, American soldiers die, electricity shortages lead to rioting, and the threat of terrorism against civilians must be taken increasingly seriously. The biggest problems have been airbrushed out of the White House report, making it read more like a Bush campaign flier than a realistic accounting to the American people. There have, of course, been positive accomplishments, but making a success of Iraq will require much time, many billions of dollars and real sacrifices. Pretending otherwise risks future public disillusionment.

In the face of news reports detailing continued insecurity, failing basic services and painstakingly slow political progress, the White House cites significant signs of better security, improved basic services and emerging democracy. Not mentioned in the Panglossian report, covering the 100 days after President Bush declared an end to major combat operations, were the 56 American soldiers killed in attacks during that period.

Days after the report's release, Basra was swept by rioting over electricity and fuel shortages. While the report boasts of broad international support, Washington still scrambles to line up countries willing to contribute peacekeeping troops without expanded United Nations authority.

Many of today's problems in Iraq can be traced to the Bush administration's tendency to credit what it wants to believe rather than more realistic accounts. It exaggerated the evidence on Iraqi unconventional weapons and links with Al Qaeda, underestimated the potential for chaos in a country that had endured years of war, sanctions and dictatorship, and misjudged the patience of the Iraqi people for putting up with postwar disruptions and an occupying army. All those delusions find uncanny echoes in the 100-day report.

In the real world there have recently been some hopeful signs that administration policies are beginning to reflect a more sophisticated understanding of Iraq. Future White House reports should describe that world, not wishful fantasies.

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Last sentence in the lead editorial NYTimes-----Future White House reports should describe that world, not wishful fantasies.

I don't know why you would criticize a few "wishful fantacies"----- that's the world the Dems live in.

Re: the conservative core philosophy----If you didn't have "spin" you would be silent----now I can do some wishful thinking. :wink:

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Ge, re your piece on Bring Them Home Now.

It is an unrealistic plea, though one can understand the emotion behind it. The last thing we should do is Bring Them Home Now. We should send more of them over there, even if it thins our ranks. Or we should get the world behind us and helping, through a UN resolution.

We are undermanned in Iraq, as was pointed out months ago by some military leaders. We need educated and trained leaders and administrators to help in the reorganization of the country. And we need more troops for security. The administration would have to fight public opinion on this issue, but they got us into this war with deceit and they might have to suffer a drop in the polls to finish the job and stop the killing. Of course, with an election coming up, this is not going to happen.

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Ge, great makeover photo. Laughing

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Kara

Excellent pragmatic analysis of the "Plea" to "Bring the troops home.

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perc

I am hurt...deeply hurt...that you haven't even said hello yet. We have a rich history and I feel like some port-floozie you have just cast aside like a worn out shoe or a resource-extracted country.

I'm way behind on reading here, and if someone else has linked this piece (balanced, I swear) from Foreign Policy, my apologies...
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/story.php?storyID=13770

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