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The US, UN & Iraq III

 
 
perception
 
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Reply Sun 20 Apr, 2003 03:38 pm
The truth is out there (it is authenticated) but it is not being published in the American media.

I have one question----where is it authenticated?

I have one comment---the bias is not in the text---it is in the selection of issues to be reported on. Anti-American focuses on civilian casualties, looting of "national treasures, and any problems whether or not significant. The exclusion of anything meaningful is also pronounced. Only those seeking support for their viewpoint would seriously consider such a source.
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Kara
 
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Reply Sun 20 Apr, 2003 03:49 pm
Quote:
Our armies do not come into your cities and lands as conquerors or enemies but as liberators.


Thanks for the Maude quote, dyslexia.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sun 20 Apr, 2003 04:18 pm
McTag -- You are right. I went looking for sources in the US media, albeit briefly, (NYTimes, LATimes), and didn't find anything particularly relevant. The usual pattern is that they lag behind by two to three days, though lately they've been catching up. The press is a great, dumb conglomerated disgrace in this country now. Like turning a huge overloaded barge in a narrow river, they are being turned around very very slowly. There are signs that public pressure (and I suppose shame in the face of the stories in overseas press) is having an effect on them.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sun 20 Apr, 2003 04:23 pm
Perception - Nothing is stopping you from finding and posting articles which you think are accurate and important views of current events.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 20 Apr, 2003 05:14 pm
Gee, dys, You have to go back to 1917 to find something on the Brits? Bet you don't need to dig that far back to see when and where the US have been guilty of "wholesale slaughter" of humans. c.i.
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HofT
 
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Reply Sun 20 Apr, 2003 07:50 pm
Good news!

No new dolphin strandings from Cape Cod, Massachusetts, to Sable Island, Nova Scotia. Further south, from Florida (where we unfortunately had sad news) to Carolinas' Outer Banks to Chesapeake Bay to Mystic, Connecticut to Rhode Island - other pilots have been checking beaches (the Coast Guard helps all it can but they have other things to do, too, and, besides, some things are most efficiently spotted from the air) and aquariums, oceanographic institutes, marine mammal rescue societies are all on standby.

Note to Blatham - how could you write (in your last post) that: "After yesterdays schmozzle, wherein I probably lost an old friend, I was not going to set foot on this thread again...." ????? Just look at that face>>

http://www.polaris.net/~rblacks/dolphin1.jpg

>> and keep in mind that 20 centuries before us Plutarch wrote: "..to the dolphin alone, beyond all other, nature has granted what the best philosophers seek: friendship for no advantage". http://www.polaris.net/~rblacks/dolphins.htm

It's contagious - so all my long association with dolphins means I probably got it. Summing up: Blatham, come back! <G>
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 20 Apr, 2003 07:58 pm
Got a q for you dolphin lovers. Anybody know what their intelligence level is compared to humans? General info would be great. c.i.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 20 Apr, 2003 08:04 pm
CI I believe Dys was making reference to Iraqi history which was tied to the usual British errors in empire judgement.
What HofT was making reference to eludes me. Let's see the subject is The US, The UN and Iraq........ and the dolphins were being used as mine sweepers (could be true). Um.

Joe
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HofT
 
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Reply Sun 20 Apr, 2003 09:22 pm
Joe: mine clearing (not sweeping) was one of the tasks of dolphins at Umm Qasr. They also patrolled the waters for hostile divers and escorted Kuwaiti tankers and other friendly vessels. Personally didn't hear of any problems with the execution of those 3 tasks - did you?

CI: the link previously posted with the dolphin pic has a brain/body weight ratio comparison - whether that ratio is a proxy for intelligence, I couldn't say, especially without offending the fatties among us <G>
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sun 20 Apr, 2003 09:33 pm
c.i.- Here is more than you would ever want to know about dolphins and intellligence:

http://www.polaris.net/~rblacks/dolphins.htm
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HofT
 
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Reply Sun 20 Apr, 2003 09:38 pm
...... as I just said, the link with the dolphin picture has the data CI asked for........
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perception
 
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Reply Sun 20 Apr, 2003 10:20 pm
Phoenix

What a fantastic link to the world of dolphins---thanks. You come up with the neatist links to knowledge.

Hoft

There is a link between pilot whales and dolphins----what is it?
Please PM me.
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perception
 
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Reply Sun 20 Apr, 2003 10:46 pm
It would seem that the dolphin has advanced to a much higher level than humans but it's probably because their brain does not allow them to be manipulative therefore no motive other than friendship. While much more intelligent than dogs doesn't their friendship put them on the same level of interaction with man?

Sorry for the diversion but it's a welcome respite from the mental anguish of the normal back and forth on this thread.
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serenity
 
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Reply Sun 20 Apr, 2003 10:53 pm
What the claim that male dolphins pack rape females. This is supposedly a fact. Is that an example of higher evolvement?
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2003 01:26 am
Newspaper coverage: never mind Al-Jazeera or the liberal European press, here's a ray of light from West Virginia:

http://wvgazette.com/section/Editorials/200304186>

Iraq War Planned for Years
West Virginia Gazette

Saturday 19 April 2003

As the carnage of the Iraq war fades, and TV commentators cease
applauding the conflict, thoughtful Americans might see that the war had
little to do with terrorism - it was carefully planned by George W.
Bush's "neoconservative" clique long before the 9/11 tragedy.

"We have been dragged into this war by a president surrounded by
super-hawks, who intended from the beginning to attack," Sen. Robert C.
Byrd, D-W.Va., declared.

Back in 2000, before Bush gained the presidency, his Republican mentors
in the Project for the New American Century outlined a master plan to
use America's colossal military power to enforce U.S. "interests" around
the planet. Part of the plan included removing Iraqi dictator Saddam
Hussein, a mortal enemy of Bush's father.

After Bush II was in the White House, and the PNAC leaders were given
top federal posts, the 9/11 attack provided a reason for waging U.S.
military campaigns. The first assault, against Afghanistan, was fully
justified, because that nation's fanatical Taliban rulers harbored the
al-Qaida terrorist network responsible for the suicide strike on
America.

Then Bush issued a new defense policy, saying he had a right to unleash
"pre-emptive" wars against any nation suspected of posing danger to
America.

Starting last fall, Bush made dozens of claims that Iraq possessed
horror weapons and was in league with al-Qaida. These dubious
accusations were pretexts for a war already planned. Although he
repeatedly said during the winter that he had "made no decision" about
invading Iraq, it wasn't true. More than a year ago, Bush crudely told
senators in the White House: "F- Saddam. We're taking him out."

Obviously, his attack on Iraq had been envisioned for years - but
Americans never were told what was coming. Only perceptive observers
could see that Bush deliberately was starting a war. U.S. diplomat John
Brady Kiesling resigned from the State Department Feb. 27 with a bitter
letter saying:

"We have not seen such systematic distortion of intelligence, such
systematic manipulation of American opinion, since the war in Vietnam.
We spread disproportionate terror and confusion in the public mind,
arbitrarily linking the unrelated problems of terrorism and Iraq ... The
policies we are now asked to advance are incompatible not only with
American values but also with American interests. When our friends are
afraid of us rather than afraid for us, it is time to worry."

In the March 18 Washington Post, columnist David Broder wrote:

"Looking back, the major landmarks of the past year appear to have been
carefully designed to leave no alternative but war with Iraq."

The current Washington Monthly, the national journal created by
Charleston native Charlie Peters, says the Bush "neocon" clique secretly
plans to remove many other Mideast regimes and install White
House-approved governments. In a cover story titled "Practice to
Deceive," the magazine says:

"The great majority of the American people have no concept of what kind
of conflict the president is leading them into. The White House has
presented this as a war to depose Saddam Hussein in order to keep him
from acquiring weapons of mass destruction - a goal that the majority of
Americans support. But the White House really has in mind an enterprise
of such a scale, cost and scope that would be almost impossible to sell
to the American public. The White House knows that. So it hasn't even
tried. Instead, it's focused on getting us into Iraq with the hope of
setting off a sequence of events that will draw us inexorably toward the
agenda they have in mind."

The hidden plan, the magazine says, is to install an elected democracy
in Iraq, then spread this transition - by military force, if necessary -

to all neighboring Arab countries. But the strategy could go haywire, it
says, because enraged Muslims in those nations might elect fanatical
regimes.

"Citizens of these countries generally hate the United States, and show
strong sympathy for Islamic radicals. If free elections were held in
Saudi Arabia today, Osama bin Laden would probably win more votes than
Crown Prince Abdullah."

Disturbingly, Americans aren't being told of the traumatic course
charted by the White House - or the motives impelling the president.
ConsortiumNews founder Robert Parry observed:

"Bush apparently sees his mission in messianic terms, believing that he
is the instrument of God as he strikes at Saddam Hussein and other U.S.
adversaries. In a profile of Bush at war, USA Today cited Commerce
Secretary Don Evans, one of Bush's closest friends, describing Bush's
belief that he was called on by God to do what he's doing."

Incredible. Bush never told Americans that he had been planning the Iraq
war for years - and he didn't reveal his innermost reasons for craving
it. If his Mideast strategy proceeds as The Washington Monthly
forecasts, ominous times lie ahead.
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2003 01:59 am
Interesting, all this talk of dolphins and whales.

Very distressing that they seem to be badly affected by modern developments in more powerful radar or sonar. but predictable, I suppose, given what we already know about their use of sound in their groups and societies.

Recent programmes on British TV about dolphins describe delinquent and antisocial behaviour too: bullying, murder. they are fascinatingly complex creatures.

Saw a recent David Attenbrough film about killer whales and their adaptation to various types of hunting....did you know that when they (this pod)
catch a penguin, they suck out the middle and leave the "pengin suit" intact- skin and feathers, skull, and beak?

Mention of Mystic, Connecticut brought back memories. I love that place, the Seaport Museum. My one visit there was all too short, as it had been a lifetime ambition of mine to go there. I must go back.

Mystic, BTW, from missituk ,an indian word meaning "big tidal estuary"

I hope I may be permitted some off-topic trivia on this Easter Monday holiday, and will close with a question: I have a feeling HofT will know the answer, so perhaps she will hang fire.

Where does the Exocet, the missile used in naval warfare, get its name?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2003 02:20 am
McTag

Since I'm definately sure, HofT can give a better answer, but since I don't know, when she will return, here is my resonse:

Exocet: from Latin 'exocoetus', from Greek 'exĂ´koitos' (one, he gets of his bed, tumb).
Besides, the flying fishes are called "Exocoetus volitans", and exocet is the short form for it.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2003 04:24 am
Did you notice McTag, that you got no response about the Project for the New American Century? It's not that it's been mentioned several times before, it has, and the response then was as now, silence.
It's because, I believe, that the backers of this administration also back the vision contained in the PNAC, though perhaps vision is the wrong word.
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2003 04:34 am
Joe

I am like unto an voice, crying in the wilderness......

Keep holding up the mirror, someone will look in it soon


(Mixed metaphors "R" Us)

McT
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HofT
 
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Reply Mon 21 Apr, 2003 05:16 am
Perception - sorry won't send e-mail as will be gone from online postings till next weekend. You're right though, many species of dolphins are mistakenly called "whales" in common parlance though of course not in scientific taxonomy>>
http://www.crru.org.uk/education/factfiles/taxonomy.htm
>> which correctly classifies them as dolphins.

Btw, McTag, this link is to a UK site. Wonder whether you could make inquiries at your end about the new sonars as the Royal Navy is scheduled to deploy them in 2005. From the same site, one more stunningly beautiful pic of an orca, commonly known as killer whale, though it's of course a dolphin:


http://www.crru.org.uk/images/orca06.jpg
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