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Routine searches of women and children in free Iraq.
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Kids make great bomb-carriers, and smuggler's mules, too. Nice is one thing. Staying alive is another. Its far kinder to search them than merely to shoot them out-of-hand. Sorry ... how do you think the mother of a soldier killed by a 12-year-old's body bomb would feel?
Yep, timber, we shoulda jes' killed 'em all. Nuked 'em.
Towelheads.
What's aWol's oil doin' under their soil, anyhow?
Hell, if it weren't fer the bravery of Commander-in-Chief Codpiece, we'd all be speakin' French right now...
It'd be a lot easier if this was a dictatorship...
In what part of Iraq do we find the 'welcome us with open arms' model Timber ...... what you describe sounds a lot like Vietnam
McGentrix wrote:Overreact much?
Now, now ... I'd have called that a typical, non-sequitorial knee-jerk liberal response, not an over-reaction. Some folks just don't accept pragmatic reality, prefering politically-correct feelgoodness to the actual unachievability of utopia. Neither gender nor age disqualifies one from being a transporter of contraband. The reality is that prudence dictates dilligence. A little girl wearing ten pounds of C4 and ball bearings is just as much a threat as a military-age male sporting the same accessories.
Shoulda jes' nuked the whole friggin' country.
And who you callin' librul?
Some "pragmatic reality", as timber liked to call it, can be read here:
THE SELLING OF THE IRAQ WAR. The First Casualty
Thank you, Walter.
For those that cannot be bothered to click on your link:
Three months after the invasion, the United States may yet discover the chemical and biological weapons that various governments and the United Nations have long believed Iraq possessed. But it is unlikely to find, as the Bush administration had repeatedly predicted, a reconstituted nuclear weapons program or evidence of joint exercises with Al Qaeda--the two most compelling security arguments for war. Whatever is found, what matters as far as American democracy is concerned is whether the administration gave Americans an honest and accurate account of what it knew. The evidence to date is that it did not, and the cost to U.S. democracy could be felt for years to come.
Quote:The evidence to date
Very important to remember.
supposedly the evidence predated the invasion....or so we were told.
Damn, I keep forgetting those blasted semi trailors
LONDON (Reuters) - An American who spent two months working on a U.S.-led reconstruction team in Iraq (news - web sites) accused Washington Thursday of failing to prepare for the post-conflict situation.
Timothy Carney, a former U.S. ambassador who until recently had been overseeing Iraq's Industry Ministry, said most of the focus was placed on the military campaign and very little on the security and political problems that could ensue.
"What we didn't understand was the lack of resources and priority that would be assigned to our efforts," Carney told BBC Radio in Washington.
"Those military officers simply did not understand or give enough priority to the transition from their military mission to the political military mission," added Carney, who had been working with the Office of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance (ORHA) in Iraq.
Asked whether the White House had thought through the post-conflict situation, he answered: "Clearly not. I'm not aware of any discussion of post-conflict Iraq taking place before November or December of last year."
IMO the chance of finding WMD's in Iraq is about as likely as snowing in Miami in July. I had always been ready to give Bush the benefit of the doubt. Basically that he had been duped into believing that Saddam had WMD's.
All evidence would now point to the fact that Bush was not duped but rather that he duped the American people.
What ever happened to honesty and integrety. I guess when he said something to the effect that Jesus was his idol he meant to say Judas.
DAMASCUS (AFP) - Syria says it is still awaiting an explanation from the United States a week after five of its border guards were detained in a US special forces raid on the frontier with Iraq (news - web sites).
The foreign ministry has yet to receive any response to a formal protest it lodged with US ambassador Theodore Kattouf on June 19, the official SANA news agency said late Wednesday.
The ministry demanded "an explanation from the US government ... and the return of the wounded soldiers for treatment in Syria in order to avoid any misunderstanding that might lead to an esclalation neither side wants," the SANA statement said.
"The ministry is still waiting."
US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld acknowledged Tuesday that no wanted Iraqi officials were found in the June 19 raid by Task Force 20, a secret unit set up to hunt down senior members of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s regime.
Other US officials said five Syrian borderguards were held in a subsequent clash, three of whom were wounded. They said the raid may even have taken place in Syrian territory.
But Rumsfeld defended the intelligence that prompted the attack against what he said was a suspicious convoy exiting Iraq and insisted Washington was in contact with Damascus over the incident.
PD - If your point is that DBT did a lousy job, I can't argue it either way.
300 sacks of castor beans, pieces of a college laboratory centrifuge buried for twelve years, and "millions" of documents.
Were the inspections not working?
Bush said we couldn't wait for inspections.
Bush said we had to invade RIGHT NOW:
"The Iraqi dictator must not be permitted to threaten America and the world with horrible poisons and diseases and gases and atomic weapons." (Citing Saddam's association with Al Qaeda, the president added that this...) "alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints."
GWB, in Cincinnatti, OH, October 7, 2002
His henchmen repeated the lie:
In Nashville on August 26, 2002, Vice President Dick Cheney warned of a Saddam "armed with an arsenal of these weapons of terror" who could "directly threaten America's friends throughout the region and subject the United States or any other nation to nuclear blackmail." In Washington on September 26, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld claimed he had "bulletproof" evidence of ties between Saddam and Al Qaeda.
These are from Walter's previous link. There are literally a thousand more instances of these kinds of statements that poured out of the mouths of everyone in the administration in this headlong rush to war.
We all know this....
What's it going to take to convince you? When will you accept that it was all a ruse?
Do you realize that at this point IT DOES NOT MATTER what gets found?
(If we find soon Scuds buried in 400 feet of sand....that was an 'imminent threat'?)
At best, The administration greatly exaggerated the danger in order to attack.
Now, is that lying? Is that wrong?
If Bush was fooled by faulty intelligence, why isn't he calling for an investigation?
My point, Scrat, is that DBT and the Florida Republicans responsible for free and fair elections in their state are corrupt and venal.
Since you weren't quite getting it, I didn't want to be obtuse.
It's interesting that all these Bushies are pressing to verify what was probably a lie: that Iraq was an "imminent threat" due to available WMD's which it planned to use.
Meanwhile, they don't question or even attempt to explain why an administration which had so much "intelligence" about imminent threat did nothing to beef up the internal protections within the nation which would have prevented terrorism.
No -- when the alleged Al Qaeda attacks occurred on 9/11, our security systems were a mess, EVEN THOUGH THE ADMINISTRATION WAS ALREADY CLAIMING IRAQ WAS A THREAT, THAT THE US WAS THREATENED, AND EVEN THOUGH THE ADMINISTRATION WAS ALREADY PLANNING TO INVADE THAT NATION...
I'd also linked the New Republic piece on a couple of threads. It's a pretty concise documentation of statements and timelines. Those who will take the trouble (or who might be able to handle the cognitive dissonance) in reading it with any thoroughness will not come away with faith that your government is truthful.
