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The US, UN & Iraq III

 
 
Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 12:35 am
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2.11 Prohibition on Assassination. No person employed by or acting on behalf of the United States Government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, assassination.


If this actually defined what assassination isit might even have some legal authority.


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"What would it take to hit 50 caves in 48 hours?" [Cheney said]. In case anyone missed his message, he wanted to kill more people. "What could we do with more force?".
Bush at War.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 06:16 am
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 10:38 am
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Foreign policy is always difficult in a democracy. Democracy requires openness. Yet foreign policy requires a level of secrecy that frees it from oversight and exposes it to abuse. As a result, Republicans and Democrats have long held that the intelligence agencies--the most clandestine of foreign policy institutions--should be insulated from political interference in much the same way as the higher reaches of the judiciary. As the Tower Commission, established to investigate the Iran-Contra scandal, warned in November 1987, "The democratic processes ... are subverted when intelligence is manipulated to affect decisions by elected officials and the public."
(note: emphasis added)
http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030630&s=ackermanjudis063003
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 11:28 am
When any human endeavor has the freedom to do whatever it wishes, it usually goes haywire. c.i.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 11:32 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
When any human endeavor has the freedom to do whatever it wishes, it usually goes haywire. c.i.

I figured you for a "glass half full" kind of guy.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 11:47 am
depends on whats in the glass
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jackie
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 11:53 am
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This kind of security policy requires the public to base its support or opposition on expert intelligence to which it has no direct access. It is up to the president and his administration--with a deep interest in a given policy outcome--nonetheless to portray the intelligence community's findings honestly. If an administration represents the intelligence unfairly, it effectively forecloses an informed choice about the most important question a nation faces: whether or not to go to war. That is exactly what the Bush administration did...

(...furthur quoting this article), Blatham-


I can feel a COLD FEAR, that given what the USA and the world has seen from the way this administration handles 'intelligence', we will NEVER really know what is truth... especially about pre-war Iraq.

Their 'insulation' from overseers brings to mind a powerful fact:
ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS.
Haven't we seen this demonstrated by a 'republican dominated' body we call "government"?
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 07:28 pm
C'mon, c'mon, somebody, Scrat, McG, somebody tell me, what gives the US the right, the power, the freedom, to kill Saddam now.. Is there a UN directive or a US Law or International Law under which the officials of this administration continues to hunt for Saddam with an apparent "Dead or Alive" poster in their minds.

Re: the cancellation of the election in Najaf: did Bush upon hearing the news say "Can we do that here?"
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 07:37 pm
We're talking about US, UN and Iraq. In my personal life, the glass is over half full. Wink
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2003 01:26 am
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Re: the cancellation of the election in Najaf: did Bush upon hearing the news say "Can we do that here?"



No Joe ..... my bet is that he said, out loud, 'been there ... done that ...... and the stupid bastards let me get away with hijacking the presidency'

And we did, we let a moron guided by a group of political criminals steal the most faithful trust in the land and now we sit on our collective asses and watch, out of disbelief or out of fear, same outcome. If I were to be arrested by the 'Office of Homeland Security' for these words, who amongst you would come to my aid? My money is on 'not a one', and that is sad. Why?

Because I am that uncounted vote in Florida.
I am that 12 year old Afghani kid that has been living in a cage in Cuba for two years, yeah the one who if not a terrorist to begin with, sure the f is one now.

In short, we all gave him carte blanche Joe, on a day in November, year 2000 and we have been bleeding rights ever since.
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Kara
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2003 01:54 am
I haven't been posting here for a few weeks. The news out of Iraq became so predictable -- and it had been easy to forsee what would happen -- that I lost heart for discourse. But I'm back listening, though it will take me a few days to read the posts.

Scrat, I sorta figgered you for an Atlas Shrugged man. Laughing That signature quote is classic Ayn Rand.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2003 07:17 am
(Geli just threw half a glassful in Scrat's face...)

(and I'm applauding...)
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2003 09:09 am
Being eminently honorable folks, the military, like the administration, is deeply respectful of a free press and of truth...
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"Stop right there," said Specialist Arthur Myers of New Jersey. "If you take a picture, I will break your camera."
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/25/international/worldspecial/25CONV.html
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2003 09:14 am
It's a lovely morning for the free flow of information there in that greatest of all democracies...
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USAID told several NGOs that have been awarded humanitarian contracts that they cannot speak to the media -- all requests from reporters must go through Washington.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2003/06/25/world6_25/index_np.html
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BillW
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2003 09:25 am
Freedom, ah yes - it is wonderful!
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Scrat
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2003 10:14 am
Hyperbole, thy name is Gelisgesti. (sigh)

Once again, I defy ANYONE to outline (by citing facts, not opinion) how Bush stole the election. I have repeatedly outlined (by citing facts, not opinion) that the law clearly supported Bush's victory, and clearly did not support Gore's illegal attempt to selectively recount his way into office. This is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of fact, written in the black letter of the law.

But then liberals aren't terribly interested in facts or laws, are they? For you it's not about what is factual or right, but what you want. You wanted a different outcome in 2000, therefor the outcome you got must--by definition--have been the wrong one.

Children view the world that way.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2003 10:19 am
Scrat
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Once again, I defy ANYONE to outline (by citing facts, not opinion) how Bush stole the election.


Let's not go into that again!! It has been beaten to death, let it lie there.The next election will be on us in a wink.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2003 10:48 am
Well put, Scrat. Probably not well received by its target audience, but well put.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2003 11:27 am
au - I have no wish to "go into it again", but that does not mean I intend to sit back and let the lies flow every time someone tries to rewrite history on this subject. A lie unchallenged, and told often enough, becomes indistinguishable from the truth. If you would rather we not "go into it again", have a chat with those who insist on bringing it up, ad nauseum.

Timber - Thanks. I appreciate and value your opinion. Cool
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2003 11:34 am
Just for the sake of clarity here, I believe the Supreme Court ruled by a vote of 5 to 4 on the Florida election which gave Bush the presidency.
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