queen annie
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 05:14 pm
I'm on a smiley punctuation kick today--could you tell?

hee hee
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 30 Dec, 2005 08:36 pm
It's contagious.
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neologist
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2006 09:48 pm
It still would be enlightening for more unbelievers to share with us their concept of God.
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jan, 2006 09:59 pm
Ok. I see 'god' as a label sometimes given to the mysteries of the universe, to sate our 'need to know'.
Like sucking on sugar candy while the meal is being prepared.
I also see 'god' as a psychological construct that probably is based in a physical part of the brain. The fact that every culture on earth creates a religion seems to serve as evidence of this. Of course, I have taken this ball and run with it as spelled out in my 'autotheism' thread...
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jan, 2006 09:13 am
People of all cultures tend to add human attributes to their definition of God. This leads to contradictions. I personally would rather concede that God surpasses my understanding.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jan, 2006 09:20 am
wandeljw,

I agree with you. God surpasses my understanding also. Though I can understand some things about Him, there is so much I just don't think I can even imagine He is capable of.
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jan, 2006 10:26 am
wandeljw wrote:
People of all cultures tend to add human attributes to their definition of God. This leads to contradictions. I personally would rather concede that God surpasses my understanding.
It is believed by many that God created man in his image, hence the 'human' traits attributed to God would really be Godly traits given to humans.

The digger for all this, of course, are the nasty hateful traits we find among mankind. Did they come from God? Or, did we develop them as a result of some rebellion against God?
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 12:10 pm
Doktor S wrote:
Ok. I see 'god' as a label sometimes given to the mysteries of the universe, to sate our 'need to know'.
Like sucking on sugar candy while the meal is being prepared.
I also see 'god' as a psychological construct that probably is based in a physical part of the brain. The fact that every culture on earth creates a religion seems to serve as evidence of this. Of course, I have taken this ball and run with it as spelled out in my 'autotheism' thread...
Perhaps the desire for spiritual guidance is a trait given by God.


Now awaiting a rebuke from Wolfie. Laughing
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 01:59 pm
Quote:

Perhaps the desire for spiritual guidance is a trait given by God.

Perhaps is a great word;with it, you can validate pretty much any concept or idea.
Perhaps I will win the lottery tomorrow. Perhaps the world is a computer simulation, or other such illusiary construct. Perhaps you will be hit by a bus next thursday.
Language games.
The reality of it stands, that a deity exists, much less a narrowed down deity with the property of 'giving traits', is premise without any real world substance to it as far as my research has been able to tell.
Besides, who says we have an innate desire for 'spiritual guidance'?(whatever that means)
Just for the sake of discussion, could you illustrate by what means you logically concluded a deity exists, and further that such a deity would or could assign properties to things?
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neologist
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 08:05 pm
Doktor S wrote:
. . . Besides, who says we have an innate desire for 'spiritual guidance'?(whatever that means)
I thought you did.
Doktor S wrote:
The fact that every culture on earth creates a religion seems to serve as evidence of this.
Doktor S wrote:
Just for the sake of discussion, could you illustrate by what means you logically concluded a deity exists, and further that such a deity would or could assign properties to things?
OK, don't go away.
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 08:14 pm
Well..spiritual guidance is certainly a term I didn't use.
I don't think there is such a thing as 'spiritual' outside of language.
An inate need for religion, sure. An evolutionary mechanism to solve the problem of the self aware creatures awareness of impending death.
Highly fascinating, but hardly supernatural.
Anyhow, I look forward to your reply to my last post.
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Doktor S
 
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Reply Fri 24 Feb, 2006 03:06 pm
Hi Neo.
After much research, I think I have a little bit better of a handle on your beliefs.
My first question would be..what is is about 1914 that makes you think jesus came back that year?
Also, if he came back in an invisible/spiritual form, how did you verify said second coming?
That's all for now.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 24 Feb, 2006 03:12 pm
Define God?

Thats the whole problem. You cant define god without describing some attributes or characteristics of god. The absurdity of categorising what God likes and dislikes, what he does on a Tuesday and what make of (hybrid) car he drives, seems lost on most religionists.

(That said I have my own ideas about divinity, but I dont feel inclined to discuss this in a public forum...what bliss it would be if others didnt either)
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Pauligirl
 
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Reply Fri 24 Feb, 2006 10:15 pm
neologist wrote:
It still would be enlightening for more unbelievers to share with us their concept of God.


A kid with an ant farm.
P
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neologist
 
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Reply Fri 24 Feb, 2006 10:29 pm
Shakespeare wrote:
Like flies to wanton boys are we to the gods. They kill us for their sport. King Lear


P.S. I'm not ignoring you, Dok. Just trying to make a coherent post.
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neologist
 
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Reply Sun 26 Feb, 2006 07:58 pm
Doktor S wrote:
Hi Neo.
After much research, I think I have a little bit better of a handle on your beliefs.
My first question would be..what is is about 1914 that makes you think jesus came back that year?
Also, if he came back in an invisible/spiritual form, how did you verify said second coming?
That's all for now.
Briefly, the year 1914 marks 2520 years since the destruction of Jerusalem by Babylon in the year 607 B.C.E.
(There is no zero year, so 1914 + 607 - 1 = 2520)

This is the period Jesus referred to as the "appointed times of the nations" (Luke 21:24). It is the seven times referred to in Daniel Chapter four.

We believe the kingdom referred to in Daniel 2:44 and in the Lord's prayer was established in heaven in 1914 according to Revelation 7: 7-13. At this point Satan was no longer allowed access to heaven and since then has been confined to the vicinity of the earth.

Human history since 1914 does nothing to disprove this belief.

The word commonly translated 'coming', parousia, is more appropriately rendered 'presence'. His work during this time will result in the eventual establishment of the kingdom as an earthly government.

"And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite." (Daniel 2:44)

I realize this leaves much to be explained, but I hate long posts.

Edited to add:

Jesus' presence is verified by the signs of the times. Jesus talks of these signs in Matthew chapter 24. I've always been fond of this metaphor: "Wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together." (Matthew 24:28)
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kevnmoon
 
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Reply Sat 11 Mar, 2006 06:32 pm
Re: Define God
Predetermination......about GOD.

''Divine Determining is a sort of knowledge. Knowledge is dependent on the thing known. That is, it knows it as it is. The thing known is not dependent on knowledge. That is, the principles of knowledge are not fundamental so that the knowledge directs the thing known with regard to its external existence. Because the essence of the thing known and its external existence look to will and are based on power.'' BSN
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 11 Mar, 2006 07:42 pm
Yeah, kev; but is God bound by necessity to know everything, including the outcome of our lives?
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kevnmoon
 
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Reply Sat 11 Mar, 2006 08:37 pm
SORRY IT IS LONG..
Absolutely not! It is not burdensome; it rather affords a luminosity and joy producing a lightness, ease, and spirit, and ensuring confidence and security. Because if man does not believe in Divine Determining, he is compelled to bear a burden as heavy as the world on the shoulders of his spirit within a constricted space, which allows him only an insignificant independence and temporary freedom. For man is connected with the whole universe. He has infinite aims and desires. But since his power, will, and freedom are insufficient to meet a millionth of these, it may be understood how awesome is the burden of the distress he bears. Thus, belief in Divine Determining throws that burden in its entirety onto the ship of Divine Determining, allowing him to roam free within its perfections with perfect ease and perfect freedom of spirit and heart. It only negates the petty freedom of the evil-commanding soul and smashes its Pharaoh-like tyranny and lordship, and its acting as it wishes.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sat 11 Mar, 2006 08:57 pm
Re: Define God
neologist wrote:
If you believe in God, what are his/her attributes?
If you don't believe, explain what the term means to you.
Depending on my mood god means:

1) nothing at all
or
2) the irrational presumption of the answer to the unanswerable
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