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New US textbook aims to teach Bible as knowledge

 
 
echi
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 02:26 pm
edgarblythe wrote:
If the Bible could be included with all the other religious books in a study, it would be hard to argue against it. Putting it in a class all alone in a government sanctioned setting is not the way to go.


edgar

I think I might find a class like you describe to be more interesting, myself. But, the Bible is so much more relative to us in the West, I can also see reasons for having a class that focused on just the Bible, with some study, also, of related texts (scriptures left out and such).
A class like this, in order for it to be legitimate in the public system, would have to focus on the cultural and political impacts, both positive and negative, and steer away from teaching any single interpretation or point of view.
It may be that the public classroom is the best place to learn, objectively, about the Bible. Kids who learn it in church get one "truth", and learn little or nothing about it's true history. A class such as this, well-presented could even help deflate this fundamentalist "uprising".
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 02:27 pm
Ok, good. Then perhaps that is what they should do. I feel if a compromise can be reached then everything should be done to reach it.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 02:27 pm
echi wrote:
fanatic

adj : marked by excessive enthusiasm for and intense devotion to a cause or idea; "rabid isolationist" [syn: fanatical, overzealous, rabid] n : a person motivated by irrational enthusiasm (as for a cause).

Based on what you've shown me, I think that fits you okay. (Maybe you use a different definition.) But you're right; it was retaliatory.


Fond of attempting to have your cake and eat it as well? How charming of you to admit to what was all too obvious--that you were indulging in personal remarks before you complained of it to me.

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I do see your flat refusal to consider other points of view as at least a mild paranoia, given you have not, that I have seen, done much to reasonably defend your position.


On what basis do you contend that i have made any such "flat refusal." You color your criticisms with your personal prejudices, and then write as though that were a valid basis for an objective view. I have pointed out the text in the introductory article--something to which you have never yet responded--and i have pointed out that there are literally millions of Americans who would impose their idiosyncratic view of christianity on the nation at large given the opportunity. You have neither denied that last point, nor attempted to refute it.

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You have preferred to throw mud.
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It gets rather tedious pointing this out, but, once again, you responded to what i had written by referring to my "paranoia," and succeeded that with an accusation of fanaticism. Yet you persist in taking some holier-than-thou stance implying that you offer sweet reason while i offer personal attacks. I suggest you visit that portion of the scripture which deals with motes, beams and eyes.

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And I did not expect you to take my paranoia comment as any great insult. It isn't like I called you a "clown" or "snotty", or anything.


I see, so you're keeping score? Saying that someone is indulging paranoia is not to be considered to be as insulting as accusing someone of having made a snotty remark? How long before we are lead to consider the possible number of angels who can dance on the head of a pin? You get out of such an exchange what you put into it. I made no reference to a snotty remark until one had been made. I did not characterize you as a clown until you had characterized me as a fanatic. Now you want to whine about it and attempt to wrap yourself in superior morality. Are your olfactory organs defective? Can you not sense the stench of hypocricy?

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And I don't get your questioning my sense of personal responsibility. Can you explain?


Couple that with the question about irony. You are here accusing me of making personal remarks when, in fact, you began the series of slighting characterizations.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 02:29 pm
As I say, in any setting other than a publicly owned building, go for it.
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echi
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 02:38 pm
Setanta wrote:
echi wrote:
fanatic

adj : marked by excessive enthusiasm for and intense devotion to a cause or idea; "rabid isolationist" [syn: fanatical, overzealous, rabid] n : a person motivated by irrational enthusiasm (as for a cause).

Based on what you've shown me, I think that fits you okay. (Maybe you use a different definition.) But you're right; it was retaliatory.


Fond of attempting to have your cake and eat it as well? How charming of you to admit to what was all too obvious--that you were indulging in personal remarks before you complained of it to me.


Just explaining myself to you like I thought you wanted.
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echi
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 02:57 pm
Setanta wrote:


I see, so you're keeping score? Saying that someone is indulging paranoia is not to be considered to be as insulting as accusing someone of having made a snotty remark? How long before we are lead to consider the possible number of angels who can dance on the head of a pin? You get out of such an exchange what you put into it. I made no reference to a snotty remark until one had been made. I did not characterize you as a clown until you had characterized me as a fanatic. Now you want to whine about it and attempt to wrap yourself in superior morality. Are your olfactory organs defective? Can you not sense the stench of hypocricy?




"fanaticism", "paranoia" vs. "clown", "snotty", "whine about it"

I see why you would object to score keeping.

Why don't you go beat up your little brother.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 02:59 pm
I don't have a little brother.

Are you attempting to demonstrate just how puerile you can make this? I assure you, i never doubted your potential.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 03:00 pm
Laughing

Yeah, go browbeat a nun or something.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 03:01 pm
Nor had i ever any doubt about Snood's potential for puerile and pointless personal remarks.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 03:01 pm
"puerile" - you've been using that one a lot lately. Is it a recent discovery of yours?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 03:04 pm
No, and in fact, i've hurled it at your devoted pate for years . . .
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echi
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 03:05 pm
Never doubted my potential? Pretty confident in your practised abilities to end mature discussions, I guess.
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echi
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 03:06 pm
Come back with something that sounds smart, now.
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echi
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 03:08 pm
Use "puerile" some more; that helps.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 03:08 pm
How about a return to the discussion at hand? I think you've derailed it with personal remarks and whining about the predictable consequences for quite long enough.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 03:11 pm
And you've effectively fouled it with your bloviation.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 03:12 pm
So you thought you'd chip in . . .
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echi
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 03:12 pm
I think you've had your discussion.
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echi
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 03:13 pm
You know what's ironic?
Setanta accusing someone of puerility.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 5 Dec, 2005 03:14 pm
How very pompous of you. I refer you to Snood's favorite new word, bloviate . . .
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