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With my own money of course.I wouldn't dream of betting any grandchildren of mine's hopes on paeleolithic carbon dated granite structures when there's a tried and tested method right under my nose.

Momma that is the very reason why church and state should be separate - if they are separate government cannot make it illegal to worship as you chose.
When gov't is involved you end up with groups like the Taliban or the Soviet Communist party telling to you how to worship, or if you even can worship. Freedom of religion equals freedom from government interference- which equals keeping religion out of government.

I'm waiting for someone to post the 11 references to God in the Constitution. I just checked again and can't find a single one.

And you wonder why people run from religion and God.

You are irrational and stubborn people. Green Witch and DrewDad both made the point that seperation of church and state ensures that you will be allowed to worship whomever or whatever you want.

This country was not founded on God. It was founded on solid principles that apply to all people. Not just Christians.

I couldn't care less if they remove the "In God We Trust" from our money because no matter what you do, you can't take God from my heart or my life.

You all see to think that when he disappears from public sight, he's gone for good and you are all doomed.

The truth of the matter is the Christians are the ones wanting to "take over" this country. If the Buddists wanted to have "In Budda We Trust" on our money, you'd flip out and say it wasn't fair to the Christians and why can't the Christians have THEIR god on the money.

And, as far as someday it being illegal to worship God? Yes, it will happen. There will be a one world government and a one world religion. I believe that with all my heart. And that one world religion is not going to be based on Christianity. That is my belief and I in no way expect anyone to accept it as their own.

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And, as far as someday it being illegal to worship God? Yes, it will happen. There will be a one world government and a one world religion. I believe that with all my heart. And that one world religion is not going to be based on Christianity. That is my belief and I in no way expect anyone to accept it as their own.

Momma- How did you come to this conclusion? How do you believe that this government will work? What would be the nature of this world religion? Very honestly, I am a bit surprised , and I am very curious as how you came to these beliefs. If you want to discuss this, I would be very interested in your "take" on the subject.

I can agree with separation of church and state to a certain degree. I cannot agree to it when it conflicts with the laws of God.

Phoenix, hmmmm. With you, I would discuss anything. However, I would prefer this to be a private conversation. If that is acceptable with you, just let me know.

If you would rather it wasn't private, I would still discuss it with you.

I can say that I believe that all cats are emissaries of the devil, . . .

MA, since you wrote,

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Just suppose that what is in this link is the way it was intended to be?

http://www.noapathy.org/tracts/mythofseparation.html

What if that was what was truly intended?

i think it's natural that people would write about whatever they saw in the webpage that they felt strongly about. if you want a reaction to something in particular on that page, why not quote the part you have in mind?

Ok, I am going to attempt to reply to each of these posts. I will do them one at a time. I'm fitting them in between fixing supper and cleaning my kitchen.

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Momma that is the very reason why church and state should be separate - if they are separate government cannot make it illegal to worship as you chose.
When gov't is involved you end up with groups like the Taliban or the Soviet Communist party telling to you how to worship, or if you even can worship. Freedom of religion equals freedom from government interference- which equals keeping religion out of government.

We already have the freedom to worship as we choose. Everyone of us has that freedom. So, are we to go tear down every public/government building that has some sort of Biblical carving, etc.? I can agree with separation of church and state to a certain degree. I cannot agree to it when it conflicts with the laws of God.

So, we have in place a system where we can lobby to change laws the way we think they should be. However these laws end up being is how it is. I don't have to agree with them but I do have to abide by them.

I don't think there can ever be 100% separation of church and state. Everyone votes their conscience, their ethics, their morals, their religious beliefs, etc. How can you have complete separation of church and state if even one person votes because of their religious beliefs? You can't expect those with religious beliefs to cast them aside.

Yes, God is mentioned in The Pledge of Allegiance, or on the money, as in God We Trust. But, that is not religion in my view. Maybe it is in others. I have said before that I can agree to certain things when it comes to this and to other things I can't and won't.

And, as far as someday it being illegal to worship God? Yes, it will happen. There will be a one world government and a one world religion. I believe that with all my heart. And that one world religion is not going to be based on Christianity. That is my belief and I in no way expect anyone to accept it as their own.

The American people knew what would happen if the State established the Church like in England. Even though it was not recent history to them, they knew that England went so far as forbidding worship in private homes and sponsoring all church activities and keeping people under strict dictates. They were forced to go to the state established church and do things that were contrary to their conscience. No other churches were allowed, and mandatory attendance of the established church was compelled under the Conventicle Act of 1665. Failure to comply would result in imprisonment and torture. The people did not want freedom from religion, but freedom of religion. The only real reason to separate the church from the state would be to instill a new morality and establish a new system of beliefs. Our founding fathers were God-fearing men who understood that for a country to stand it must have a solid foundation; the Bible was the source of this foundation. They believed that God's ways were much higher than Man's ways and held firmly that the Bible was the absolute standard of truth and used the Bible as a source to form our government.

Not quite.

If you claim it's rational, you have to provide some back up. What makes it rational, besides the fact that you believe it? Why is it rational?

You only get to use the "it's what I believe" get out of jail free card if you also say it's irrational. If you're claiming rationality, too, the onus is on you to show WHY it's rational.