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Setanta wrote:

I tell ya, the rest of sure hope so . . . we can't wait for y'all to rapture up outta here, and leave the rest of us in peace . . .

I hope you aren't too disappointed when you find that it is not peace that awaits. :wink:

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Well, yes, in one episode . . . it was more of a general thing though, an open invitation to exercise a sense of humor . . . something one doesn't expect Bill Shatner to intuitively understand . . .

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Setanta wrote:

Well, yes, in one episode . . . it was more of a general thing though, an open invitation to exercise a sense of humor . . . something one doesn't expect Bill Shatner to intuitively understand . . .

You may be right about Bill Shatner. You are, however, posting to Intrepid and he has an abundance of humour as can be evidenced by his amusement at this post. Cool

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Setanta wrote:

I tell ya, the rest of sure hope so . . . we can't wait for y'all to rapture up outta here, and leave the rest of us in peace . . .

So if a couple(million or more) people come up missing you aren't going to have a second thought?

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HMMMM!
Proverbs 2:21,21 gives a different rendition of who will be taken and who will be left:
"For the upright are the ones that will reside in the earth, and the blameless are the ones that will be left over in it. 22 As regards the wicked, they will be cut off from the very earth; and as for the treacherous, they will be torn away from it."
'Course the word rapture doesn't appear in the bible. There must be a reason, eh?

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Setanta Wrote:

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I tell ya, the rest of sure hope so . . . we can't wait for y'all to rapture up outta here, and leave the rest of us in peace . . .

Well, I'm kind of anxious for it myself, Setanta. But, I guarantee you, there is not going to be the peace you would expect.

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Looks like its you and me left behind, Set. Barbecue at Joe's? I'll bring my bible and explain what happened.

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I hope that the BBQ isn't a pun, Neo :-)

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Intrepid wrote:

I hope that the BBQ isn't a pun, Neo :-)

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HMM! You aren't thinking the barbecue may get out of hand, are you? Well, there is no such thing as a fiery hell, so that leaves that out.

Come to think of it, there is no such thing as a rapture, either. I suppose you all will have to come over to Joe's for the best ribs in Snohomish County, maybe the world.

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Momma- You say that laws change. What I am inferring, is that Christians have deemed it appropriate, to ignore entire parts of the bible, as you have mentioned, rituals and hygiene laws.

But then they latch onto an obsure passage, Exodus 21:22-25. This passage has been interpreted in many ways. But then they use that passage to affirm that God proscribed abortions.

Momma, that sounds like politics, more than religion!!!

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Phoenix,

I understand. Yes, anyone, and I do mean anyone, can take any verse in the Bible and make it fit their assertions.

That's why it is so important to keep the focus on God and not on ourselves when reading the Bible.

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Momma Angel. Christians were instructed to pray in secret, and Jesus specifically said that coins are things of the government that issued them, not God. The Constitution specifically forbids religious tests or oaths for public officials.

So what makes some Christians think that kids should pray and take religious oaths in school, God's name should be on coins, and selected Mosaic Laws (usually the Protestant version of the 10 C's) should be posted in public places? Do you know of anything in the Bible which suggests that God wants his name posted indiscriminately on coins, courthouses, etc.?

Off the subject, but do you believe in predestination, or do you think that the Bible is wrong when it states:

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Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

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Terry wrote:

Momma Angel.

Off the subject, but do you believe in predestination, or do you think that the Bible is wrong when it states:

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Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Mind if I kind of jump in on the question to Momma? Ok, I will. :-)
What do you think this means? I am not sure what you are reading into it, but it is simply saying that the enemies of God are wicked and pass this on to their children who become enemies of the people of God even from their birth.

Why should the bible be wrong on this as written by the Psalmist to the Chief Musician?

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Terry wrote:

Off the subject, but do you believe in predestination, or do you think that the Bible is wrong when it states:

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Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Funny you should ask that. I've been trying to get input on this subject in this thread.
The subject of free will vs. determinism or predestination should be a central issue to religion.

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Intrepid,

Believe me, jump right in wherever and whenever. You always say things much more eloquently than I do.

Terry,

I agree with Inrepid's assessment of that verse.

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Intrepid wrote:

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Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Mind if I kind of jump in on the question to Momma? Ok, I will. :-)
What do you think this means? I am not sure what you are reading into it, but it is simply saying that the enemies of God are wicked and pass this on to their children who become enemies of the people of God even from their birth.

hope you won't mind if i jump in. by "pass this on" do you mean genetically? or do you mean that the wicked raise their children to become wicked?

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Ok, let me jump in now. Does it not stand to reason that the parents would raise their children up in the same way (as the parents)?

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yitwail wrote:

Intrepid wrote:
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Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Mind if I kind of jump in on the question to Momma? Ok, I will. :-)
What do you think this means? I am not sure what you are reading into it, but it is simply saying that the enemies of God are wicked and pass this on to their children who become enemies of the people of God even from their birth.

hope you won't mind if i jump in. by "pass this on" do you mean genetically? or do you mean that the wicked raise their children to become wicked?

Not genetically.... The teaching of the parents from the very beginning.

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I cannot believe that rational people would argue this idiocy with the willfully self-deluded. The god of the old testament is brutal, selfish, childish, vengeful and irrational. Vague condemnations are the most people ever have to offer about the alleged iniquity of those who this "god" destroys out of hand.

This hatefulness is fully comprehensible if one sees that "god" for what it is--the ultimate expression of the superstitious and suspicious bigotry of a nomadic tribe. It only becomes truly disgusting, however, when you have ostensibly intelligent people in our contemporary world defending the idiocy, the hatred, the bloodlust--because to acknowledge any error in their tissue of fairy tales will unleash the floodgates of doubt. So people who ought to hang their heads in shame at defending the indefensible blather on and on . . .

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