The Fourth Reich?

your kidding right?

pueo, if you believe the Republican Administration represent American patriots, you are due for a rude awakening in a few years time. Particularly, if enough voters are persuaded next year that to vote Democrat is unpatriotic, un-American and subversive.

John is not exaggerating at all. Of course they knew 9/11 was coming. This administration never planned to govern, but merely to please the corporations that put it into place, guided by neohawkish (crazy) imperialism and Israeli extremists. A reason was needed to perform this; enter 9/11.

The US prison population hits a new record: over 2 million imprisoned in the US. That's 25 % of the world's prisoners. Adolf Hitler himself laughs in his grave: 12 percent of American black men in their 20s and early 30s are incarcerated. The United States is a very sick, racist imperium. Not as obviously as the Third Reich, but so much more effectively. The Fourth Reich indeed.

Fascism grows!

It is likely that millions of Americans now have a greater fear of actions by their own nearly-elected government, than they do of external terrorism.

Not exactly the strongest of recommendations for those charged with delivering "liberty and justice for all".

JohnW:

You may be right.

Of course there are also a lot of people who WON'T admit being scared.

'Hitler' Exec Producer Fired Over Remarks
Thu, Apr 10, 2003 10:36 AM PDT

LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - The executive producer of a CBS miniseries about Adolf Hitler's rise to power has been fired after giving an interview in which he compared the current mood of Americans to that of the Germans who helped Hitler rise to power.


http://tv.zap2it.com/news/tvnewsdaily.html?30964

..thus proving his point better than a documentary could.

Welcome to A2K Magus! :wink:

;-) Gotcha covered.

The problem for the Administration is that there are too many people still alive today who can recall Hitler and his Gestapo's rise to power in Germany and can recognise the all-too-similar parallels with that of the Bush regime in America.

The Nazis were able to gain total rule through fear. Can anyone deny that exactly the same thing is now happening here?

It's ironic that when the Dodge Colt got a reputation for being very underpowered, Dodge simply started advertising how zippy and fast it was. A bold-faced lie, but those who didn't laugh outright at the ads gradually believed them, despite the facts.

Now it's ironic that the largest supporter and producer of terrorism in the world claims to be in a War Against Terror. It makes those who don't read very much think that the U.S. somehow stands for peace, independence, and freedom.

With such vigorous dedication that the "true believers" threaten my neighbors with violence unless they wave the American flag and support the invasion of other countries. Why do we live in such fear of our own government and our own "Patriotic" neighbors?

It's just strange how things work. Marketting is such a tool.

John Webb,

The situation today in the United States has NOTHING at all in common with the conditions that led to the rise of Adolph Hitler in Germany. NOTHING.

* The United States is not a defeated Great Power. Germany was a monarchy that glorified militarism, and the German People explained their defeat by blaming the Jews for "stabbing them in the back". WWI was a slaughter house, and all of Europe was suffering from the loss of millions in the trenches.

* German government after WWI was extremely new and unstable. The public wasn't used to democratic forms, and many had almost no allegiance to the Federal government of Germany. Opportunists got rich, and the poor looked on with envy and resentment. Socialist and Communist movements were popular and active everywhere. Street fights and brawls between armed gangs of political thugs were common. The legitimate government had little control over the contending private armies battling for political victory.

* The economy is relatively stable. There is no world-wide depression. The unemployment during the depression in Germany reached monumental proportions. Breadlines and starvation were real facts of life that German's had to face.

Inflation isn't exploding to the point where wheelbarrows of money won't buy a loaf of bread. War reparations after WWI contributed to inflation, and fueled a deep resentment among the German public.

* Germany was forbidden to rearm, but was involved in secretly rebuilding its military machine -- just like Saddam.

On the other hand:

The U.S. economy is strong, and productive. Most people have jobs, and even the poorest here have a pretty high standard of living. The United States has a long history of representative government, and the People are accustomed to it. The Constitution is alive and well, and there is no evidence whatsoever that there is a plot to overturn it. The Bill of Rights are jealously guarded by activists all along the political spectrum. There are no private armies battling for political dominance in the streets. The U.S. has the finest army in the world, and it is doubtful that any other nation could defeat it in the field. There has never been a military coup, nor would our military stand idly by if anyone tried to high-jack the Constitution. Political correctness is so institutionalized, that most Americans would go out of their way to avoid even the appearance of blaming any person, or group for anything. The exception might be that some, yourself included, seem to believe that the President of the United States is some sort of criminal. We have no need for scapegoats, because we are a People who value self-reliance, and responsibility.

Similarities? Everyone who did not support Bush (or Hitler) was against him. Hitler invaded foreign lands. So does Bush.

Hitler murdered Jews and stole their property. Bush does the same to Arabs and their trillions of dollars in mineral wealth, but describes shooting and bombing hell out them as 'liberation'. Clearly better public relations. The wisest will judge this Administration by their deeds rather than their words.

Hitler introduced laws restricting personal freedom. Bush introduced the so-called 'Patriot' Act and wants to make it permanent. Anyone who disagrees is anti-American, unpatriotic and subversive. Quantanimo Bay, America's first concentration camp, with more to come?

No recession? Look at company collapses and rock-bottom share prices? The worst budget deficit in our history. No poverty in America? Wow!

Saddam and his 'imaginary' Weapons of Mass Destruction. According to the Administration, nuclear, chemical, biological, coming from every orifice, day after day, week after week for months. Rearming? He was far weaker in 2003 than he was ten years before. Where are all the W.M.D.s - the official excuse for the war?

Military Coups? Ask John F. Kennedy and Abraham Lincoln amongst others for the nearest U.S. equivalent?

America may have the finest army in the world. So had Hitler at the time. The main difference being that, thank Heavens, Hitler did not have the fall-back of nuclear weapons and his finger on the button.

Hitler had two other nations supporting him, Italy and Japan. Bush has Britain and Australia.

Bush some sort of criminal? Ask Al Gore and a few million Democrats? Although many suspect that Bush himself is more of a monkey than an organ grinder.

Had Hitler needed a September 11th to aid his popularity with the German people and gain international support to justify his invasions, it would not have been beyond the organising abilities of those who planned the mass-extermination of an entire race. He would simply have blamed the Jews and produced no evidence.

Similarities? Bin Laden and Afghanistan were guilty? No proof and a refused public independent inquiry into the worst atrocity in American history since Pearl Harbor.

Instead we get "Trust me, I'm a politician" .... and we believe it because we cannot conceive that an American political Administration, which would happily bomb, kill and injure thousands of foreigners, would ever be involved in an attack upon the Twin Towers.

Incidentally, one of the few major buildings in America also containing a multitude of foreigners .... and one that was officially-designated aircraft-proof, which should have minimised the numbers of casualties, but would still have caused world-wide outrage against the chosen perpetrators. A self-inflicted attack that went wrong?

Admittedly, all circumstantial theory and no proof of guilt. Therefore easily dismissed as nonsense. But then, the same might have been applied to an identical atrocity committed by Hitler's regime?

And anyone clever enough to have planned something like this, would have to be incredibly stupid to leave real evidence to be found. Even though an independent major investigation might raise too many difficult-to-answer questions.

However, Asherman, I must agree with you that America is not a police state ..... YET!

I hope, for the sake of us all, that your faith in the guardianship of our Constitution and Bill of Rights remains justified.

John Webb:

It's not my faith in the constitution that gives me hope--it's a faith in the PEOPLE.

One need only look at how this "Anti-War" movement has in months grown to exceed what the Anti-Vietnam movement took years to do.

The question becomes, can we keep it going, and build it into a political force.

I always though that the "Anti-Corporate" movement would drive the next progressive movement, but should Bush, as it seems, be trying to start a new "Cold War". This movment may become the engine!

I'm going to go out on a limb and make a prediction: In 19 months, and then again in 67 months we're going to have presidential elections. And after one of these elections, Mr. G.W. Bush isn't going to be our president anymore.

Jim:

Hopefully in 19 months!

If your a bettin' man, put your money on 67.

Welcome Jim!!

Excellent points as usual Asherman.

John, you've gotten yourself into a dither and quite frankly, there is enough conspiracy pablum out their to feed your abnormally large appetite for the stuff.

As a friend, that junk is bad for ya!

Do you believe that only foreigners can be guilty of terrible atrocities? Be reminded that many have been accused and convicted on circumstantial evidence alone, but not if you are considered above suspicion.

However, the fact that you can lie convincingly, smile a lot and kiss babies does not make you a good person - particularly when you are being highly rewarded for doing it.