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Rain Forest #65

 
 
Stradee
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 12:06 am
omg! 50 feet!

And you flew again???

Dan, you are either the luckiest pilot alive, or you and your Pattie have a travel angel sent directly from God!

Yep, thats it! Very Happy
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 04:41 am
I guess discussing Jesus is appropriate during this Christmas season (although there's not much likelihood that he was born during the month of Kislev, which would be roughly equivalent to our month of December. Smile)

I can see no reason whatever to doubt the historicity of Jesus as an actual person. The only question is how much of the Gospels is historical, how much mythology. As for John the Baptist, it seems quite evident that he was a member of the Essene sect and that Jesus was very sympathetic to the teachings of the Essenes, if not himself a member. There were three main sects of Judaism in those days -- the very ascetic Essenes, about whom we have learned mainly through the Dead Sea Scrolls; the Saudcees, which was the traditional, Temple-worshipping priestly sect; and the Pahrisees, who laid the foundations of modern day Judaism, with its emphasis on scholraship rather than temple sacrifices. In fact, the only reasonable explanation of why Jesus is reported to have spoken against both the Pharisees and the Saducees so often is that his sympathies lay with the Essenes. The Essenes were more than just ascetic. They renounced all worldly goods and wordly pleasures to pursue a life of pure devotion to a higher power and service to mankind. ("It is easier for a rich man to pass through the eye of a needle than to get into heaven.") The notion that Jesus might have been well off is a Calvinist idea, not borne out by what is reported in the Gospels. Even if his family were well-to-do, he himself would, in all likelihood, have renounced worldly wealth, just like Gautama Sidgartha virtually renounced his princehood to become the Budha.
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danon5
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 10:11 am
Yes, MA, Qumran (sp) was quite the place and it is reasonable that a person such as Jesus would have visited there. Apparently the big thing that got Jesus in trouble with the guys in charge of the Jewish church was that he preached an after life for everyone - that went against the then concept of purchasing your way into heaven with money. And, the concept that the head priest would chose who went to heaven and who wouldn't. For the vast majority, heaven was out of the question. I can see the excitement that an ordinary person would have for the new religion.

Also, I have read that Mary Magdalene was a wealthy widow who financed the groups activities. The same thing happened with Muhammed - who married a rich widow and actually in 632ad died in her home instead of on the reported rock. People have a tendency to believe stuff that they want to believe regardless of the facts.

I like Siddhartha's philosophy. I actually sat under the tree in Bangkok, Thailand that was grown from the original tree that Gautama sat under in India. That was quite an experience.

Stradee,
I was the pilot. No luck involved. I had flown from Seattle - Boeing Field - to Juneau to do a mapping job for the photogrammetric company I was working for at the time. Patti went along for the fun of it. On the way back, after stopping and visiting friends in Ketchikan, I flew back VFR - visual flight rules - which means that as long as I stay relatively close to the flight plan I can fly as low as local flight rules allow. Well, out in the middle of no-where the rule doesn't amount to much so we tooled along at tree top level a lot of the time and enjoyed the scenery. Lots of animals, sea lions, whales, bear, elk, etc. I did the same thing going and coming from Seattle to Sheboygan, WI. Sure saw some neat things - the Prez's at Black Hills, Devil's Tower, Yellowstone NP, etc. The guyser Old Faithful was just going off when I circled there. Flying is fun, so why not make the best of it?

Here's a pic of a Cessna 210. It's really a fun bird to fly - so nice on the job, I sometimes just send the plane to take to photos.... grin. Oh, big powerful engine too - Continental Turbocharged 520 cubic inch powerhouse.

http://www.aircraftdealer.com/dealers/p/prestonaircraft/4541/big_spec33885_1.jpg
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pwayfarer
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 11:50 am
Fabulous book by Jose Saramago,1992 Nobel prize winner, called "The Gospel According to Jesus Christ". ISBN0-15-600141.You have to learn to read with not a punctuation in sight, but it is worth it. That was the one that should have been the best seller, not The Da Vinci Code. Saramago's Jesus is a fisherman.
Loved the car,ebeth. I miss our crazy exploits.
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Stradee
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 03:04 pm
Merry Andrew wrote:
I guess discussing Jesus is appropriate during this Christmas season (although there's not much likelihood that he was born during the month of Kislev, which would be roughly equivalent to our month of December. Smile)

I can see no reason whatever to doubt the historicity of Jesus as an actual person. The only question is how much of the Gospels is historical, how much mythology. As for John the Baptist, it seems quite evident that he was a member of the Essene sect and that Jesus was very sympathetic to the teachings of the Essenes, if not himself a member. There were three main sects of Judaism in those days -- the very ascetic Essenes, about whom we have learned mainly through the Dead Sea Scrolls; the Saudcees, which was the traditional, Temple-worshipping priestly sect; and the Pahrisees, who laid the foundations of modern day Judaism, with its emphasis on scholraship rather than temple sacrifices. In fact, the only reasonable explanation of why Jesus is reported to have spoken against both the Pharisees and the Saducees so often is that his sympathies lay with the Essenes. The Essenes were more than just ascetic. They renounced all worldly goods and wordly pleasures to pursue a life of pure devotion to a higher power and service to mankind. ("It is easier for a rich man to pass through the eye of a needle than to get into heaven.") The notion that Jesus might have been well off is a Calvinist idea, not borne out by what is reported in the Gospels. Even if his family were well-to-do, he himself would, in all likelihood, have renounced worldly wealth, just like Gautama Sidgartha virtually renounced his princehood to become the Budha.


Excellent information Merry, thanks.

I recall though that Jesus was speaking to a notorious tax collector when he said those words. I'm not sure of the bible passage, though. He may also have been renouncing exploitation - and consequences to the spirit. His anger at the money changers selling their wares at the temple gate a good example also. The gospels tell us very little about the life of Jesus though - his affiliations, friends, family, etc. We can only look to the era to figure out what may have transpired before his ministry, and ponder the clues given from reading scripture and other writings.

whew, thank God the 50 foot above the ground flights intentional! Very Happy

Cool Cessana, Dan!

I'll re-read the postings <so interesting> when I return <errands, etc>

Pwayfarer, howdy and thanks for the Novel info!
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 05:27 pm
My apologies for the egregious typos in my earlier post. It should, of course, be . . . Saducees, Pharisees and Gautama Sidhartha. It was very early in the morning, I wasn't wide awake yet blah blah blah. I know, I know -- excuses, excuses! Smile
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Stradee
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 10:00 pm
Dan, I thought you were going to tell a nail-biting story regarding a 50ft off the ground flight - and yep, luck doesn't have much to do with flying an airplane, although I can tell you there were instances when the gods were smiling, or it just wasn't my time to die. Whatever it is, flying is probably the neatest experience - even when spotting for aircraft, ya look up and see a set of landing wheels floating toward your aircraft, diving, recovery, etc. realizing that training has much to do with facing in-flight emergencies. I recall praying <i thought> my last prayer though.

A Mooney Exec - a great airplane too, and recall lovely flights also - when the weather conditions were so perfect - the airplane seemed motionless.

Great stories. Thanks, Dan. Smile
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danon5
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 10:59 pm
Ah, Mooney's! As an A&P mechanic that has actually worked on a Mooney - I can tell you that it's an aircraft mechanics nightmare. Mr. Mooney was a psycopath out after an A&P mechanic when designing the airplane. Myyyyy God!!!!!!! Everything is PACKED into such a SMALL area that it's all on top of everything else. No matter what you are trying to go after, you have to actually REMOVE such a lot of stuff just to get to what you want to fix. But, the upside to that is - tada,,, the help gets more money for doing simple jobs. Ha!!!

Your story about seeing an aircraft coming towards you reminded me of a true story - one of our flying jobs in Vietnam was to go out during daylight conditions and look at areas where "bad guys" were thought to be and take photos. This one day I had a VP (Visual Photo) flight along a portion of a valley along the "Tri Border" area - where Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia merge. It's really mountainous. It's also a really active area where lots of things could easily go bad rather quickly. I went directly to the valley and aligned my airplane on the path the intell people had selected for the photos. At altitude and on course I told my op buddy to start the film. At the end of the selected course there was a ridge framing the end of the valley. I told the equipment operator to stop the film and started a slight climb to just go over the ridge line at the end of the valley. It was close, but, no problem clearing the ridge.
Then came the two helicopters!!!!! They were all over my front - I actually went BETWEEN them and as I was attempting to actually think - I sensed more than thought that these guys fly in packs....... At that very instant, I actually flew through TWO MORE helicopters!!!! That was close. I went back to base - debriefed - and puddled. The same area was where we lost two men only months before. It was also the same area where I had heard an ominous tone on my radio only a short time before. There was a frequency on our FM radios that I tuned in when out in the boonies. This frequency would detect the radar tones of the guns that could actually down the plane I was flying. Shortly before the above happened I was flying in the same area and heard the acquisition tone on my radio - I quickly turned the plane on it's back, aimed it at the ground and Deedied out of the area at full speed about a foot above the tree tops. Most times that worked - one day I recall not having the radio tuned in and in a valley I looked behind my plane to see a puff of red smoke - they missed!!

A more safe encounter many years later was on the Peninsula in Western Washington - I was flying with a friend and instructing him in the plane. We were on approach to one of the uncontrolled airports (no tower) and had announced our intentions to land in the clear on the correct frequency for that field. Well, as we neared the field I saw a plane taxi onto the main and actually takeoff in our direction - my friend, being new to piloting, asked if we should divert. I said I had the controls and kept our plane on the landing path. I kept it straight for the plane which had taken off without announcing it's intentions and had obviously not even looked for landing aircraft!! We were close by the time the taking off plane saw us - It's wings wiggled and it suddenly went off in a very low Westerly direction. I just kept my heading and landed thinking that the next time that particular plane went out on a flight I bet the pilot would look and use the radio as he should have that day before taking off. There was no danger of a mid air collision. I would never have gotten that close.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 9 Dec, 2005 11:47 pm
back from a lovely recreation of a Monteverdi Vespers setting

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The Monteverdi Christmas Vespers
December 9 & 10, 2005

With recorders, violins, cornetti, theorbos, keyboards and voices, the Toronto Consort recreates the lavish celebration of Christmas Vespers from the Church of San Marco in 17th-century Venice, with music by the incomparable Claudio Monteverdi!

Featuring works from his 1641 collection of sacred music, the rafters and balconies of Trinity-St. Paul's will resound with the glorious sounds of a Christmas celebration you won't soon forget. Gloria in excelsis!


I often think of pwayfarer when I go to these concerts.
I imagine she'd quite enjoy the season finale this year

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The Journey to Santiago
April 28 & 29, 2006

For the 2005/06 Finale, join the Toronto Consort on a musical pilgrimage to the famous town in northern Spain, where even today thousands upon thousands of pilgrims flock every year. In medieval times, Santiago was just as much a magnet, and as they walked along the road to the shrine, the pilgrims enlivened their travel with songs and dances. With lute and ud, with hurdy-gurdy and pipe, with voice and drum, we take you on a unique musical journey through medieval Europe.


http://www.torontoconsort.org/images/santiago.jpg
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Stradee
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 01:26 am
danon5 wrote:
Ah, Mooney's! As an A&P mechanic that has actually worked on a Mooney - I can tell you that it's an aircraft mechanics nightmare. Mr. Mooney was a psycopath out after an A&P mechanic when designing the airplane. Myyyyy God!!!!!!! Everything is PACKED into such a SMALL area that it's all on top of everything else. No matter what you are trying to go after, you have to actually REMOVE such a lot of stuff just to get to what you want to fix. But, the upside to that is - tada,,, the help gets more money for doing simple jobs. Ha!!!

Your story about seeing an aircraft coming towards you reminded me of a true story - one of our flying jobs in Vietnam was to go out during daylight conditions and look at areas where "bad guys" were thought to be and take photos. This one day I had a VP (Visual Photo) flight along a portion of a valley along the "Tri Border" area - where Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia merge. It's really mountainous. It's also a really active area where lots of things could easily go bad rather quickly. I went directly to the valley and aligned my airplane on the path the intell people had selected for the photos. At altitude and on course I told my op buddy to start the film. At the end of the selected course there was a ridge framing the end of the valley. I told the equipment operator to stop the film and started a slight climb to just go over the ridge line at the end of the valley. It was close, but, no problem clearing the ridge.
Then came the two helicopters!!!!! They were all over my front - I actually went BETWEEN them and as I was attempting to actually think - I sensed more than thought that these guys fly in packs....... At that very instant, I actually flew through TWO MORE helicopters!!!! That was close. I went back to base - debriefed - and puddled. The same area was where we lost two men only months before. It was also the same area where I had heard an ominous tone on my radio only a short time before. There was a frequency on our FM radios that I tuned in when out in the boonies. This frequency would detect the radar tones of the guns that could actually down the plane I was flying. Shortly before the above happened I was flying in the same area and heard the acquisition tone on my radio - I quickly turned the plane on it's back, aimed it at the ground and Deedied out of the area at full speed about a foot above the tree tops. Most times that worked - one day I recall not having the radio tuned in and in a valley I looked behind my plane to see a puff of red smoke - they missed!!

A more safe encounter many years later was on the Peninsula in Western Washington - I was flying with a friend and instructing him in the plane. We were on approach to one of the uncontrolled airports (no tower) and had announced our intentions to land in the clear on the correct frequency for that field. Well, as we neared the field I saw a plane taxi onto the main and actually takeoff in our direction - my friend, being new to piloting, asked if we should divert. I said I had the controls and kept our plane on the landing path. I kept it straight for the plane which had taken off without announcing it's intentions and had obviously not even looked for landing aircraft!! We were close by the time the taking off plane saw us - It's wings wiggled and it suddenly went off in a very low Westerly direction. I just kept my heading and landed thinking that the next time that particular plane went out on a flight I bet the pilot would look and use the radio as he should have that day before taking off. There was no danger of a mid air collision. I would never have gotten that close.


Yeah, but ya gotta admit the Moonys retractables give the plane lift and smoothness though - and not an airplane mechanic, i couldn't tell you what was where or why. I'll take your word for the particulars though.

And yes, it was a true story - the wheels were not far from the plane, and we dove right avoiding a crash. Talk about a physical reation! Thought my innerds would never recover. And once landing at a small San Jose airport, we had been cleared to land, we're on final approach, and theres another airplane on the same runway, taking off! Friends that were waiting for us to arrive saw the scenerio from a waiting area, and nearly had a heart attack! The plane was high enough so we could manuver without collision, but dang - you can imagine this commo goddess on the radio to the tower - and i wasn't very professional about it either. "This is 1957Mike requesting explaination for permission to land when there was another frigging airplane on the frigging runway"! Probably one of the reasons why i never got a pilots license. The other plane took off, the pilot oblivious, and i wondered if that was the same guy flying at evens instead of odds when he damned near hit our plane!

Dan, I cannot imagine war - flying an aircraft over hostile territory, dodging friendy aircraft MY GOD! and almost getting shot out of the air! Well, i'm glad they missed. So are the rest of us here at the rainforest thread sitting on the edges of our chairs. Excellent writing.
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Stradee
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 01:33 am
ehBeth, lovely art and posting. Thankyou
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danon5
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 09:02 am
Yes, ehBeth, that's the favorite thing I do when traveling anywhere. Visit the art museums. And all the other museums too. Thanks.

Stradee, sounds as if you have had some thrilling experiences in and around airplanes.

You are right about war - it's not a pretty thing. And, there's always the danger of friendly people shooting at you too. One clear blue sky day as I returned to base the aircraft experienced a violent surge that sent some maps and stuff flying in the cockpit. It just as quickly stopped. After landing I learned that a battleship off shore had fired it's big sixteen inch guns in my direction and it must have been the shock wave of one of those rounds that hit my plane. We always checked the locations and times of friendly fire before beginning our missions but, this day a battleship firing had not been reported. It happens.
One other time I was showing a newby the country side - we always took new pilots on a tour of the area with more experienced pilots. One of my favorite places to show these guys was a very deep and long - almost straight - valley north of An Khe in the mountainous Central Highlands. I liked to low level up the valley because at the end of it was a sharp turn to the right and a beautiful water fall cascading lazily down in to the head of the valley. Well, this one time I made the turn and just as we were clearing the rim of the waterfall an artillery round exploded right on the top of the falls and very close to the nose of our bird. I cut left and said, "Welcome to Vietnam." to the newby.

Speaking of An Khe, remind me later to tell you about the helicopter rides I took from there.

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pwayfarer
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 11:58 am
Danon, get working on that book. All the material is right there waiting to be put together.
Ebeth, LOVELY posts! Last night was to our first of three performances of Rutter's Magnificat and Jenkin's Mass for the Armed Man - both stunningly beautiful. At three o:clock, a wind came out of nowhere, just like a wicked squall, except that it lasted at full intensity - 80 miles an hour - for four hours. Electricity off on the entire cape. Ah, the virtues of a land-line telephone! One of the choral members had to call 95 people to tell us what we already knew - no concert. Hope it goes well tonight.
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pwayfarer
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 11:59 am
..That is.."to be"
Merry - what was it like in Boston?
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 12:35 pm
Wayfarer -- not as bad as the Cape. We had some gusty winds, but no 80 mph gales like I hear folks around Nantucket and Martha's Vinyard experienced. Snow was steady most of the day, and then turned into a real whiteout right around 2:30 p.m., replete with thunder and lighting. But the total accumulation can't be much more than maybe six inches or so. Looks really purty outside. I haven't been out yet today, being as how there's nothing special I need to do. I do need to get a haircut, so maybe I'll venture out once I've done browsing here. Smile
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ul
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 01:34 pm
Catching up.
Good stories- want to read more.
Now with these long evenings is the best time.
Tea and cookies?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 02:32 pm
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 02:33 pm
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 02:36 pm
Why, thank you, ehBeth. How thoughtful of you. Mmmm...delicious. Bake 'em yourself?
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ul
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2005 02:45 pm
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The humming somowar is a special treat.
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