Atheists... Your life is pointless

@John Creasy,

To choose to do whatever you want regardless of consequences and the feelings of other people just because you can, I think is an insult to our intelligence. caring for others is what makes life more fulfilling and rewarding, to be able to see the happiness and comfort you can bring to someone else's life can bring great happiness to you. yes you could argue that everything is collectively tied to the same fate, that of inevitable destruction and as a result nothing whatsoever has any real meaning or value, but why choose to act without regard for others, why choose that way, simply because you can?

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@Steve 41oo,

Hi Steve, Just ended a 26-day cruise in the South Pacific, but McT and Fiona visited us last October for about one week. Did five trips last year, and have none planned for this year except to Austin to visit our son.

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@spendius,

spendi wrote:

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There's an argument fresco that scientists have caused most cancers.

Please show proof of this statement of yours?

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@spendius,

Spendius,
!. Even if you had evidence for your claim that "science causes most cancers" it does not negate the good intentions of a scientist who wished to redress the situation.
2. It is well documented that many scientists shun fame and fortune and even "make themselves ill" in their dedication to research..,and "purpose" need not equate to altruism in any case.

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@existential potential,

Suppose caring for others was anything but fulfilling and rewarding. Suppose it is a painful, tiresome, expensive, thankless and unrewarding task as it very often is.

What would an atheist do then? A Christian has a duty of care.

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@spendius,

It's because people like you do not understand human compassion.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Hi Steve, Just ended a 26-day cruise in the South Pacific, but McT and Fiona visited us last October for about one week. Did five trips last year, and have none planned for this year except to Austin to visit our son.

How nice for you all ci. Are you in favour of the other 6 billion on the planet enjoying such indulgent priviges?

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@cicerone imposter,

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Please show proof of this statement of yours?

Proof that there's an argument that scientists have caused most cancers? Is that your question.

It's all over the place. You probably have it on Ignore.

Try Rabelais. Or Freud. Or Reich. Or Illich. Or Chernobyl. Or food additives. Or atmospheric pollution. Or pellets of poison flooding your waters. Or contraceptive pills.

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@fresco,

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Even if you had evidence for your claim that "science causes most cancers" it does not negate the good intentions of a scientist who wished to redress the situation.

Well- I thought you could read fresco. I didn't claim that at all. I said that there is an argument that says that.

I don't really know what your second sentence means. What's "many"? What's "fame"? What's "fortune"? Are they Christians--the ones you mean?

I've seen them fighting like cats in a sack over their dedicated research.

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@spendius,

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Suppose caring for others was anything but fulfilling and rewarding. Suppose it is a painful, tiresome, expensive, thankless and unrewarding task as it very often is.

What would an atheist do then? A Christian has a duty of care.

My atheist sister and I exercised such a "duty of care "for our ailing mother in the years prior to her death. The point is that we are "social animals" who define ourselves in terms of of our relationships with others. Religion may serve to regulate such relationships and in that case it can be argued that it devalues natural compassion.

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@spendius,

spendi, Since when did "you" concern yourself with the world's population?

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@spendius,

Oh? What percentage of the world population did they cause these cancers? Were they done purposefully? Or were they man-made "mistakes" that were contributions of all those people who use energy?

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@spendius,

spendi, In other words, your throw away words like "most scientists cause cancer" has no relavance, because they are not "intentional." Most humans use energy which also causes cancer; have "you" stopped using all forms of energy?

Do you fart? That's a danger to humans too!

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@fresco,

Fresco said:

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Religion may serve to regulate such relationships and in that case it can be argued that it devalues natural compassion.

How could regulating something, as in requiring it, be seen as devaluing it?
I can see how it could possibly be viewed as calling into question its authenticity in certain people who may not be naturally inclined toward that tendency or trait- but in my mind, if a body of thought (such as a religion) or philosophy of any sort includes the adherence to a property- such as compassionate thought or action- that highlights or emphasizes valuation of that property or characteristic. If it weren't (wasn't) valued - why would it be suggested or mandated?

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@aidan,

Yeah, making claims about how good religion is for human society is the biggest question of all.

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@cicerone imposter,

a claim isn't a question ci Very Happy

I'm really interested in how Fresco sees this. I tend to respect his thinking - I'd like to know what he means here.

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@aidan,

So would I. I don't see how personal considerations enter into this discussion.

I don't accept that there is such a thing as "natural compassion". Something natural has no exceptions.

I think fresco is a Christian. I don't see how he could avoid being.

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@spendius,

All we can do is offer our perspectives. Isn't that what you are doing?

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@aidan,

I thought it was only natural to question the claims made by christians about morals.

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Spendius,

ME ... a christian ! Laughing

... What with MY feet ? (as Ronnie Barker said)

Aiden,

The key word in my comment was natural. Given that primates can show compassion, conditioned religiosity which codifies behaviour and even tends to dangle celestial carrots would imply that humans are subject to synthetic social forces.

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