Atheists... Your life is pointless

But where did these durned historical artifacts come from?

But where did these durned historical artifacts come from?

Steve 41oo wrote:

John Creasy wrote:

I've always wondered why people that are so adamant about the non-existence of God, debate morals and what is right and wrong. If there is no God and this world is truly just a cosmic fluke, than your life and everything that happens in it are of no consequence whatsoever. Why not just do whatever you want and not care about others. After all, survival of the fittest is the name of the game right? Love of others is just some accidental emotion that means nothing. So do whatever you want. Your life, your children's life, and your children's children's life will all be over soon and nothing will be remembered.

you complete tosspot.

I take it you are a believer in a concept you refer to as 'God'. Its a short word and its dog backwards. Now I know exactly what a dog is, in fact I'm a believer in dog. But before you can believe you have to understand what it is you are asked to believe in. And there are as many definitions of the word 'God' as there are people out there who 'believe'. What's your definition of 'God'? It may well be different from mine. Is that ok?

But for the sake of argument consider this. Perhaps we could agree that God is the creator of all things, the maker of heaven and earth, the orginator of the Universe of all that exists. Now thats how we define Universe. Everything that exists. And God exists, obviously or he couldnt be around creating things. Therefore God is part of what we define the Universe to be. So he created the universe and himself as part of it. God exists as just a component of all existence? But thats not how we have agreed to define god. Because it begs the question who created God?[/i]

Surely God is somehow over and above the Universe. His existence was before the Universe. But by definition something that is outside the Universality of all existence, does not exist.[/i]

The efficacy of your argument is limited by your (and our) failed perception of time.

We perceive time according to events. The possibility of 'no events' - what about that?

Not proving anything. Just stirring the pot.

It fits in to one of the three arguments I've really heard that the atheist's life is meaningless.

1) God is what gives us meaning. If you reject god, you reject meaning. meaning is a purpose or destiny type theme.
2) God is the source of morality. If you reject god, you reject any reason for civility.
3) If you reject god and his purpose for you then there is no reason for you to NOT kill yourself, so why don't you.

2/3 of the arguments I hear most frequently involve predestination as a theme.

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The one that puts me into hysterics is "I gave man free will, but if you don't listen to me, you'll roast in hell forever."

How will listening to you give me knowledge that there is no hell?