Atheists... Your life is pointless

I do not have the time to read through 1000+ posts, so I just read through the first six pages and the last three pages. I apologize if this has already been said and/or answered to.

If God existed, it is not necessary for it to give us purpose. If indeed the purpose is just to "follow God," then what is the purpose of "following God?" Why should one do what God says just because he says so and one is afraid that God will take retribution if one does otherwise? Just because somebody says "because I said so," it does not mean that what one has just said is necessarily true. It has the possibility of being false. Just because people have faith, it does not mean that one's faith is necessarily true. It has the possibility of being false. To follow God merely for fear of retribution may be a purpose, but it is not any more purposeful than to do what atheists do to try to survive.

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Extropy, welcome,welcome,welcome, welcome. You sound very reasonable. I look forward to your participation.

Chumly asked me "Do you support living for the moment at the cost of the future?"
Yes there is only the present moment, but I try to take into account possible futures (the past is, by defintion, no more and the future is, by definition, not yet--and the present seems to be only the non-existent future becoming the non-existent past. Yet this "empty" present is all there is. Nevertheless, it makes no conceptual sense without conceptual reference to a "past" and "future").

My happiest years were the nine I spent in the university--in pursuit of a FUTURE degree and profession, but I tried to focus on the on-flowing present throughout my years in that future-oriented program.

P.S., is anyone reading the contributios of Run 4 Fun? I wish I had the energy, time, and fortitude to do so.

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I think run 4 fun is primarily centred around christianity and how it is the best way of life, unless I missed something. He's not saying anything we haven't heard before.

No offense, run.

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Well Cello and Extropy, we were following the topic from around page 145 (the main line of argument that may be useful to you developed in the several pages following that), but I after debating that for a while, I was forced to where I had to defend the Bible from false accusation. I was arguing with pure reason on the topic, not scripture, yet the Bible was attack anyway. Confused

Cyracuz said: "Run 4fun, who's to decide which parts are what? You? The pope? Elvis?"

Cyracuz, poetry is a recognizable literary style. It is obvious that the Psalms are poetry and that 1 Kings, the Gospels, etc. are not. I don't get what you're going for.

Cyracuz said: "I think run 4 fun is primarily centred around christianity and how it is the best way of life, unless I missed something. He's not saying anything we haven't heard before."

If you had heard it before, then you would already know that those scripture were not contradictory. But you attack them anyway knowing your accusations were false (yes, I know it was Cicerone, but you added some and said nothing else)? Wouldn't that show that you are not as much devoted to reason as you are blatantly opposed to Christianity?
Shocked

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You're right, run. I am not that much devoted to reason. I know how to reason soundly, but it's not something I idolize. And I do think that christianity is a plague on this earth.

The bible is a ridiculous book, and when I engage in a thread about it or any christian topic it's usually for the fun of making fun of it.

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Run 4 fun wrote:

"Do rabbits chew the cud?" http://www.tektonics.org/af/cudchewers.html

dlowan is not going to like that one. Seeing as you are new here Run 4 fun, I think it is only fair to warn you,

Don't provoke the bunny...

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Well, I've followed this thread through its entirety with incomplete attention.

I think of my poster associates (hmm, do we get paid for that?) as falling along a continuum of philosophic and/or religious beliefs, and further, that posters individually are on a continuum, re their beliefs all their lives.

So, I'm not very quick to condemn one belief or another or lack of belief.

I'm, as most of you know, now in the void-of-belief group, but I spent years as an exploring-theology believer.

Run 4 fun, well, I wish him or her well, given the long road.

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Cyracuz, I would like to challenge you to read the Bible. Smile

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Done it. In school there were even mandatory "christianity classes" where we were taught about christianity. That's where my oposition started, when they tried to teach us what is obviously a matter of belief as fact.

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How, may I ask, do you read the Bible and then say that it is poetry? Question

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squinney wrote:

You have no earthly idea how freakin' mad I'd be if I was ever impregnated by a ghost.

bad enough a Bear.... at least with the Bear you got off.... or were you faking so we could get back to Letterman?

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Run 4 fun wrote:

How, may I ask, do you read the Bible and then say that it is poetry?

Just lower your standards on what constitutes poetry.

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How, may I ask, do you read the Bible and then say that it is poetry?

Simple. I read it, then I said it. It's not all in verse and rhyme, but not all poetry is. The tales in the bible all strike me as written with a certain measure of artistic expression.

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my thoughts
what if there is no god, what if life is pointless, us emos cut ourselves, we wear black, we are depressed, our life sucks, why live if we will die, nothing can save us from death, there is nothing after death, we are our own religion. Life is pointless and everyone hates us, there is no superior being, everyone is above emos and we cant be better, its not our fault, we were like this when we were born, life is against us, we are all imperfections, mistakes. Fate pulls us down, a feeling deep inside claws and claws at us until we break down, we are insignificant, nothing, we are emos. Life sucks and nobody can do anything about it. i hop that the world ends, because i will end with it. I have tried to kill myself numerous times, i just cant. I want to die, but cant. If there is a god, then i am him, life sucks and there is nothing you can do about it. Crying or Very sad

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My (atheistic) life is very much "pointed" (meaningful), thank you. But its points (meanings) are all of my (and my culture's) making.
How many times do I have to say this only to have it ignored?
Meaning is a human mental phenomenon. It is "in here", not "out there" in the so-called objective world. Meaningfulness does not occur before the advent of humanity. To expect to find meaning in the world sans human participation is to be as naive as the innocent who asked the astronomer how he learned the names of all the planets, solar systems and gallaxies in the known universe.

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Re: my thoughts

emokid wrote:

what if there is no god, what if life is pointless, us emos cut ourselves, we wear black, we are depressed, our life sucks, why live if we will die, nothing can save us from death, there is nothing after death, we are our own religion. Life is pointless and everyone hates us, there is no superior being, everyone is above emos and we cant be better, its not our fault, we were like this when we were born, life is against us, we are all imperfections, mistakes. Fate pulls us down, a feeling deep inside claws and claws at us until we break down, we are insignificant, nothing, we are emos. Life sucks and nobody can do anything about it. i hop that the world ends, because i will end with it. I have tried to kill myself numerous times, i just cant. I want to die, but cant. If there is a god, then i am him, life sucks and there is nothing you can do about it.

Welcome to the forum, em. Hang around here long enough and you will find there are many who are below emos.

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Cyracuz wrote:

And I do think that christianity is a plague on this earth.

The bible is a ridiculous book, and when I engage in a thread about it or any christian topic it's usually for the fun of making fun of it.

The societies (primarily Europe and America) that have produced the most freedom, the most progress and prosperity are those that were overwhelmingly populated for hundreds of years by people who were Christians (however imperfect they were) and believed the Bible.

How do you explain that?

If the Bible is so ridiculous and Christianity such a plague, wouldn't you expect that Europe and America would be societies characterized by a lack of freedom and progress, as compared with the other societies of the world?

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real life wrote:

Cyracuz wrote:
Europe and America would be societies characterized by a lack of freedom and progress, as compared with the other societies of the world?

and how are they different ? the likes of the UK and US probably have less freedom than others. I spoke to a Chinese women today who has only been living in the UK 2 years and she finds it very oppressive compared to communist China

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real life wrote:

The societies (primarily Europe and America) that have produced the most freedom, the most progress and prosperity are those that were overwhelmingly populated for hundreds of years by people who were Christians (however imperfect they were) and believed the Bible.

I am not sure we have produced the most freedom. Maybe we just traded, because I know I am not alone when I say that I sometimes feel like a captive in this rat race of mindless production and consumption that you call prosperity and progress.

Some call the abundance we live in, with multiple choices between brands of the same goods, prosperity. I'd call it prosperity to have what is needed. All the excess isn't prosperity.

And while we can chose between seventeen brands of cereal, most of the world's population live on sparse rations of rice and bananas, if that. And that is largely due to the activities of these countries that have been populated by christians for hundreds of years. Yea for progress.

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If the Bible is so ridiculous and Christianity such a plague, wouldn't you expect that Europe and America would be societies characterized by a lack of freedom and progress, as compared with the other societies of the world?

Yes I would. And if you ask me, they are.

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I just love this exchange between Run4 and rosborne:

Run 4 fun wrote:
How, may I ask, do you read the Bible and then say that it is poetry?

rosborne wrote:
Just lower your standards on what constitutes poetry.

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