Atheists... Your life is pointless

Honestly kickycan, do you really think that because someone is a Christian that they automatically condone what happened in the Crusades, Inquisitions, etc.?

Momma Angel wrote:

Honestly kickycan, do you really think that because someone is a Christian that they automatically condone what happened in the Crusades, Inquisitions, etc.?

No, of course I don't. I think I even said as much somewhere back there. I just think that if they armed you with that knowledge at the outset, you might have been a little less...receptive.

But then again, maybe I'm wrong.

cicerone imposter wrote:

Sure it's crap because the truth angers you.

If I were to take on your warped view, I would cuss you out in legendary fashion for the cowardly bombing of Pearl Harbor.

Every race, religion and weird set of beliefs has some bad attributed to it.

If we buy the swill you're selling, we'd all be sitting in caves, afraid to live.

I'm sure BW that Muslims are inherently evil, as well?

During many ages there were witches. The Bible said so. The Bible commanded that they should not be allowed to live. Therefore the Church, after doing its duty in but a lazy and indolent way for eight hundred years, gathered up its halters, thumbscrews, and firebrands, and set about its holy work in earnest. She worked hard at it night and day during nine centuries and imprisoned, tortured, hanged, and burned whole hordes and armies of witches, and washed the Christian world clean with their foul blood.

Then it was discovered that there was no such thing as witches, and never had been. One does not know whether to laugh or to cry. Who discovered that there was no such thing as a witch -- the priest, the parson? No, these never discover anything. At Salem, the parson clung pathetically to his witch text after the laity had abandoned it in remorse and tears for the crimes and cruelties it has persuaded them to do. The parson wanted more blood, more shame, more brutalities; it was the unconsecrated laity that stayed his hand. In Scotland the parson killed the witch after the magistrate had pronounced her innocent; and when the merciful legislature proposed to sweep the hideous laws against witches from the statute book, it was the parson who came imploring, with tears and imprecations, that they be suffered to stand.

There are no witches. The witch text remains; only the practice has changed. Hell fire is gone, but the text remains. Infant damnation is gone, but the text remains. More than two hundred death penalties are gone from the law books, but the texts that authorized them remain.

It is not well worthy of note that of all the multitude of texts through which man has driven his annihilating pen he has never once made the mistake of obliterating a good and useful one? It does certainly seem to suggest that if man continues in the direction of enlightenment, his religious practice may, in the end, attain some semblance of human decency.

I am not Catholic and I apologize for any Catholics for using this example to Kicky.

Do you think Catholic Priests and Catholics in general should be held accountable for what some Priests have done to innocent boys? Given that they have remained Catholic.

I'm not saying they should be held accountable. I don't know where you guys are getting that.


I don't think that anyone should be held accountable for anything that anyone else does.

But, if I were a priest and I found out that there were institutional problems like pedophiles being covered for and moved in order to be protected from consequences, it might force me to question the foundation and viability of that organization. I might even leave it.

Intrepid wrote:

I am not Catholic and I apologize for any Catholics for using this example to Kicky.

Do you think Catholic Priests and Catholics in general should be held accountable for what some Priests have done to innocent boys? Given that they have remained Catholic.

I'm not saying they should be held accountable. I don't know where you guys are getting that.


I don't think that anyone should be held accountable for anything that anyone else does.

But, if I were a priest and I found out that there were institutional problems like pedophiles being covered for and moved in order to be protected from consequences, it might force me to question the foundation and viability of that organization. I might even leave it.

Christianity is a belief system you have freely chosen by your own free will. As a belief, christianity has been responsible for the inquisition and the crusades. Religious beliefs do not change from one generation to the next; the basics are the same. How you practice christianity today is based on the history of your religion. You believe in the same god as those responsible for the crusades and the inquision; that's part and parcel of your religion. You inherit all the good with the bad whether you like to or not, because it's a choice made freely.

It is about the book MA. I have posted portions of that article by Mark Twain many times before whenever a discussion heads in this direction. I like the ways he makes the point.