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Arella Mae
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2005 09:48 pm
Mr. Cicerone Imposter,

I would like to personally invite you to the I Say We Duke It Out thread. I think you might have something to say. :wink:
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2005 10:01 pm
Christianity is a belief system you have freely chosen by your own free will. As a belief, christianity has been responsible for the inquisition and the crusades. Religious beliefs do not change from one generation to the next; the basics are the same. How you practice christianity today is based on the history of your religion. You believe in the same god as those responsible for the crusades and the inquision; that's part and parcel of your religion. You inherit all the good with the bad whether you like to or not, because it's a choice made freely.
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Arella Mae
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2005 10:09 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Christianity is a belief system you have freely chosen by your own free will. As a belief, christianity has been responsible for the inquisition and the crusades. Religious beliefs do not change from one generation to the next; the basics are the same. How you practice christianity today is based on the history of your religion. You believe in the same god as those responsible for the crusades and the inquision; that's part and parcel of your religion. You inherit all the good with the bad whether you like to or not, because it's a choice made freely.

Mr. Cicerone Imposter,

Whether you believe it or not, true Christianity to me does not hold inquisitions, etc. You are, IMO, just trying to justify your belief that all Christians should be held accountable for everything every single Christian in history has done. It is something you cannot possibly justify.

You accuse me of homophobic bigotry and you refuse to accept that what you post can be equated with religious bigotry. But, that's because religion is a choice, right?

Well, so are a lot of other things, like being logical (as I have been told many times.) You cannot logically equate each and every Christian of the world being held responsible for what Christians long dead may or may not have done.

Shall we then hold every atheist accountable for every crime an atheist has done before you were born?
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Lash
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2005 10:13 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Christianity is a belief system you have freely chosen by your own free will. As a belief, christianity has been responsible for the inquisition and the crusades. Religious beliefs do not change from one generation to the next; the basics are the same. How you practice christianity today is based on the history of your religion. You believe in the same god as those responsible for the crusades and the inquision; that's part and parcel of your religion. You inherit all the good with the bad whether you like to or not, because it's a choice made freely.


This is crap.
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Intrepid
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2005 10:20 pm
I couldn't think of a proper response, Lash. It seems that you have.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2005 10:29 pm
Sure it's crap because the truth angers you.
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Doktor S
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2005 10:32 pm
It's crap because nobody is responsible for anything they do..it's all the devils fault.
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Arella Mae
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2005 10:34 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Sure it's crap because the truth angers you.

Mr. Cicerone Imposter,

The truth does not anger me. But, in all honesty, Mr. Cicerone Imposter, you know not of which you speak. Rolling Eyes
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Intrepid
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2005 10:35 pm
It is crap because it has no basis in fact
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Arella Mae
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2005 10:37 pm
Doktor S Wrote:

Quote:
It's crap because nobody is responsible for anything they do..it's all the devils fault.


No, it's "crap" as Lash called it, because Mr. Cicerone Imposter hasn't got a clue as to why we believe what we believe, no matter how many times we try to explain it to him.

I am responsible for what I DO. I am not responsible for what you, Mr. Cicerone Imposter, Lash, etc., does.
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Lash
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2005 10:40 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Sure it's crap because the truth angers you.

If I were to take on your warped view, I would cuss you out in legendary fashion for the cowardly bombing of Pearl Harbor.

Every race, religion and weird set of beliefs has some bad attributed to it.

If we buy the swill you're selling, we'd all be sitting in caves, afraid to live.

I'm sure BW that Muslims are inherently evil, as well?
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Doktor S
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2005 10:43 pm
Well, fact is a pretty hard word for what we are dealing with, it is more of a human issue, an issue of responsibility.
The assertion being made is that by supporting entity 'christianity' which is responsible for X atrocities, you are by proxy supporting X atrocities.
I would tend to agree with that assertion.
Try applying that formula to the nazi party or NAMBLA and see what you think.
Do you think if someone were to contribute money to NAMBLA they wouldn't be supporting paedophilia? That is, in essence, the argument you are making here.
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kickycan
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2005 10:45 pm
With all due respect, Momma, I don't think that's what he was saying. Hmmm...here's a question:

Do you think that muslims should have to answer questions about their faith because of the fact that some of their more enthusiastic members are murderers and terrorists?
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Arella Mae
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2005 10:45 pm
Doktor S wrote:
Well, fact is a pretty hard word for what we are dealing with, it is more of a human issue, an issue of responsibility.
The assertion being made is that by supporting entity 'christianity' which is responsible for X atrocities, you are by proxy supporting X atrocities.
I would tend to agree with that assertion.
Try applying that formula to the nazi party or NAMBLA and see what you think.
Do you think if someone were to contribute money to NAMBLA they wouldn't be supporting paedophilia? That is, in essence, the argument you are making here.

Doktor S,

Ok, ....argument you are making here ~ who is the you?
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Doktor S
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2005 10:45 pm
lash...you still aren't getting it.

Do you honestly see no distinction between race, which is not a choice, and supporting an ideology, which is a choice?
No distinction at all?
REALLY?
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Lash
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2005 10:48 pm
Doktor S wrote:
Well, fact is a pretty hard word for what we are dealing with, it is more of a human issue, an issue of responsibility.
The assertion being made is that by supporting entity 'christianity' which is responsible for X atrocities, you are by proxy supporting X atrocities.
I would tend to agree with that assertion.
Try applying that formula to the nazi party or NAMBLA and see what you think.
Do you think if someone were to contribute money to NAMBLA they wouldn't be supporting paedophilia? That is, in essence, the argument you are making here.

If NAMBLA is buggering little boys, and you contribute, you are equally quilty.

Christianity is no longer running Crusades.

Quite a distinct difference.

The atrocities a Christian is supporting is feeding the poor of the world and taking care of people we've forgotten.

Donate to a Christian charity today!!! Save a starving child.
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kickycan
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2005 10:49 pm
Doktor S wrote:
Well, fact is a pretty hard word for what we are dealing with, it is more of a human issue, an issue of responsibility.
The assertion being made is that by supporting entity 'christianity' which is responsible for X atrocities, you are by proxy supporting X atrocities.
I would tend to agree with that assertion.
Try applying that formula to the nazi party or NAMBLA and see what you think.
Do you think if someone were to contribute money to NAMBLA they wouldn't be supporting paedophilia? That is, in essence, the argument you are making here.


I disagree. Especially in the case of Lash. I think her whole point is that her Christianity (or whatever term she wants to use for it) is a personal thing, and isn't affilliated with any group outside her own personal mind.
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kickycan
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2005 10:49 pm
Okay, maybe I was wrong about what lash was saying.
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Intrepid
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2005 10:49 pm
Try telling this to some of the Middle Eastern religions who have no choice
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Lash
 
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Sat 17 Dec, 2005 10:50 pm
Doktor S wrote:
lash...you still aren't getting it.

Do you honestly see no distinction between race, which is not a choice, and supporting an ideology, which is a choice?
No distinction at all?
REALLY?

It is you who don't get it.

I am as guilty of the Crusades as he is Pearl.
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