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Atheists... Your life is pointless

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2013 06:13 am
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spendius
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2013 06:38 am
@FBM,
When you get on your little self-congratulatory hobby horse about "illiterate goat herders" your credibility vanishes FB. You will be telling us next that Homer was rubbish because you can prove that Athena could not change shape.

I don't think your posts show the slightest sign of what I would call literacy. And your assertion about illiterate goat herders is a grossly unsatisfactory reason for your rejection of the Christian code of sexual conduct. Are you shy about providing us with the real reason?
FBM
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2013 07:05 am
@spendius,
Not shy at all, thank you. The real illiteracy problem is scientific illiteracy. Nomadic Middle Eastern goat herders thousands of years ago didn't even know that the earth orbits the sun and not the other way around. They didn't even know that the earth is a globe rather than a plane. Modern-day people who ascribe to the same mentality have to delete/ignore/deny thousands of years of gradually, carefully accumulated knowledge in order to maintain that anachronistic version of reality. For them, reality is still essentially supernatural. For those who have been paying attention, purely natural explanations suffice for practically everything experienced so far.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2013 07:06 am
@Frank Apisa,
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You either have...or you have not.

I have...

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The question can actually be answered either "yes" or "no."

Yes, that is correct it can be...

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We can go into explanations after I know the answer to the question...

Yes...we could...and all you have to do is ask me to simply explain what you would like to know about my initial answer...and if you want me to be exact for you to understand...then if you ask me...I will do that also...

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and I think that "going into explanations" is the next logical step up the ladder.

I think that this is correct, based upon what you may be thinking...though I am not positive, because you have not asked me yet...

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But I still do not know if you have even considered the possibility.

I have...

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With all that in mind, here is the question again:

I already answered it...I do not need to see it again...

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Have you considered that you might be deluding yourself in thinking that you have been having conversations with the GOD that made this entire universe?

I will save you the trouble and just say this...I gave you my answer...I personally thought that you were looking for my own views, and not what you may have already subjectively perceived...maybe I was incorrect...

Since you have told me that I was disrespecting you, but we have not got to why...I am waiting for you to personally ask me if my question meant a simple yes or no, or what it meant into smaller details, or why...If that is what you wish to know...

If you feel you would like to go back to bigger explanations because you may have been incorrect in saying that I was disrespecting you...then I am fine with that as well...

But if you think that I am...then I would like to make sure that I am not...

(If you would like to know if my answer is a simple yes or no, then ask me...and then if you would like to know why, after my question, then just ask me...I can not make it any more clear than that)

And if I start to think you maybe are trying to pigeonhole me to keep me in limbo to ask me questions, but not explain anymore for me...then I will shut the whole thing down...
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2013 07:10 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Ummm...does all that mean that the answer to my question is "YES" or "NO?"

FBM
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2013 07:17 am
Where the religious mindset has led millions:

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/484364_636135446403481_173369960_n.jpg
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2013 07:33 am
@Frank Apisa,
Is this the one simple question you would like to ask me?

It means that that is my answer, and if you would like to understand why you think it is either a "yes" or "no" answer...THEN ASK ME WHY...my answer explains why I think it is not a "yes" or "no" answer for you to understand...

If you would like to know if you think it is a simple "yes" or "no"...and why...if you ask me to explain and break it down that small for you...IE..."Is your answer a simple "yes" or "no"?" Then I will answer it for you...
FBM
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2013 07:41 am
"If you are intending to ask me why I answer in the way that your intention is not intentionally replied to, you are clearly at fault for not intending my answer to the question that you should have asked in the first place."



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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2013 07:50 am
Nope...If one is asking someone a question it is because they would like to know the other persons answers/perspective...Or they do not, and would like to hold onto what they already preconceived...(honesty)

It is a matter of what one wants to know and why they do...Or do not...(honesty)

It is not on me to convince them why I am right/wrong...Or try to strengthen their thoughts of right/wrong...Or disbelief of right/wrong...(honesty)

They either ask me because they would like to know, or do not...(honesty)

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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2013 08:00 am
@Frank Apisa,
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Ummm...does all that mean that the answer to my question is "YES" or "NO?"

I am not sure...because you still have not directly asked me if IE..."I think my answer means a simple "yes" or "no"?" IE..."Or is my answer a simple yes or no and why?"

Does it mean that my answer was a simple yes or no answer for your original question?

No...

Was there a yes or no answer located within both of my posts?

Yes...

Ask me why...

Explain the disrespect...for me...

Or tell me if you think you were mistaken about me disrespecting you...

I will then answer your question the way you would like me to answer it for you...
izzythepush
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2013 08:52 am
@FBM,
It's less to do with a religious mindset than a rejection of American hegemony. America has long supported Israel and unsavoury Arab dictators. In such countries secular opposition was ruthlessly put down, and the only people standing up for Arab freedom were Islamists.


You reap what you sow.
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spendius
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2013 09:30 am
@FBM,
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For those who have been paying attention, purely natural explanations suffice for practically everything experienced so far.


I know. That's why you made no comment on the Jane Austen quote. It was there. You dodged it.

Here's another--

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"Where any one body of educated men, of whatever denomination, are condemned indiscriminately, there must be a deficiency of information, or (smiling) of something else.


I'm smiling. When you talk of goat herders you are talking drivel. It is something else.

It's just the same with Islamic women who, as I know from experience, can hold their own without your help.

You have heard a few anecdotes, which our society might equally supply a goodly number of the same sort of thing, and you "condemn indiscriminately" to support the case you wish to support for personal reasons.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2013 10:01 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Answer my question...and then ask me other questions.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2013 10:02 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Here you go with more questions...and you still have not answered the one I've asked.

Answer the question.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2013 10:38 am
@Frank Apisa,
Yes I have Frank...the best that I could...Now, you have to think on your own and come to an understanding as to why you actually agree with me or do not...I can not do that thinking for you...You can not remain unsure forever...

If you subjectively agree with my initial response, that is cool...tell me why, and we can talk about it...If you subjectively disagree with my initial response, that is cool...tell me why, and we can talk about it...If you subjectively think you do not understand my position, or answer...that is cool...tell me why, or ask me what you would like to know...and I will talk with you about it/explain it for you to understand...

Would you like to ask me another question?...such as:

Do I think my answer is a simple "yes" or "no", and why would I explain/think it is?

Ask it...I will answer it...

Or are you unsure you would like to know?

Tell me, and I will drop it...

(I am not asking you questions directly...just posting rhetorics to hopefully help you understand how you may personally rationalize my initial answer...to then formulate what you think...and do not...So you can then ask more questions and give us more of your answers, if you are interested in doing so)
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2013 10:43 am
@Frank Apisa,
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Here you go with more questions...and you still have not answered the one I've asked.

Answer the question.

I can not help you believe it was truthful...unless you tell me why...I can not help you reject it was truthful...unless you tell me why...I can not personally explain how you can not be unsure...unless you are willing to explain to me what you do not not know/what you think you would like to know?

(My questions are almost always rhetorics to help people think...most do not require actual answers to them...For instance, I am not looking for your personal answers to my questions in my last two posts I have made...I just want you to actually ask yourself those specific questions...in your own mind, and in your own thinking...think about what you think...and what your answer is, and why..I do not need to hear the actual answers)
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Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2013 10:54 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
You've indicated that you have had conversations with the GOD who made everything...and that he has answered questions you have put to him.

Allow little ole me to put a fairly easy question to you:

Have you considered that you might be deluding yourself in thinking that you have been having conversations with the GOD that made this entire universe?
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2013 11:19 am
@Frank Apisa,
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Allow little ole me to put a fairly easy question to you:

Have you considered that you might be deluding yourself in thinking that you have been having conversations with the GOD that made this entire universe?

Allow me to help you understand my very simplistic answer for you...

I need you to answer one specific question for me first...If you do not, or can not, or do not want too...It is NOT POSSIBLE for me to answer yours...the way you would like me to, and be honest about it...So how much you would actually like to know my answer is totally dependant upon your answer...



My one simple question that I need you to answer for me first...


If I give you a simple, exact, specific answer as in a "yes" or "no" and nothing else to your simple question...and it will be exact as in nothing but a yes or no for you...


Here it is...


Do you think that you would be physically able to understand exactly why you agree with my answer, (whatever it is)...or do you think you would be physically able to understand why you disagree with my answer (whatever it is) and explain exactly why you agree or disagree or reject it is true? (whatever it is) So that we can discuss our views...

If you can answer a "yes" or "no" for that one specific question...Then I can give you an honest "yes" or "no" in return...
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2013 12:15 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Sorry, Spade...but you do not get a question until after you answer my question.

It is a rather easy, straightforward question. Either you have considered that you might be deluding yourself by thinking you are having conversations with the GOD who made the universe...or you have never considered it.

Have you ever considered the possibility that you may be deluded in thinking your are having conversations with GOD?
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Thu 4 Apr, 2013 12:28 pm
@Frank Apisa,
But that is where you are incorrect Frank...because I have answered it...but you just did not subjectively like my answer for some personally reason you are unwilling to explain to me...and if I try to explain how I think this is true or not...based upon what you think the parameters of "deluded" are...it is either manipulating your own thinking to strengthen what you already think...or it will auto jade you farther from what I am trying to say...there is no way you could honestly see my views for what they are...It guarantees we both fall...

I can not give you a honest, objective answer if you are not willing to take the time to at least explain why you agree, do not agree, or what you do not understand or would like to about what I have said...

See ya around Frank... Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

If you ever would like to tell me how you agree, do not agree, ask me what you do not know, or would like to know something you do not understand because you are honestly interested...I am here...

I will be willing to explain...

I am not willing to fall into that pit...that someone set on you...I can get you out of it, if you want...but I am not willing to join...
 

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