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Atheists... Your life is pointless

 
 
spendius
 
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Fri 25 Nov, 2005 08:05 am
Phoenix-

It's no contest actually.There are arguments that haven't even been hinted at yet and which the other side have no notion of.Our good manners refrain from deploying them to protect the innocent.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Fri 25 Nov, 2005 08:08 am
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Where that, Phoenix?


Francis- Duh, I dunno! :wink:

Seriously though, I think that this is an important discussion, despite the way with which it was broached. I think that if we all listened to one another, and attempted to understand each other's views, there would be a lot less tension amongst different groups in our society. That does NOT mean that we have to agree, or even respect the views, but simply empathize with a person who has beliefs counter to our own.

Hey, if we can't have peace amongst various members with different beliefs in our little A2K world, how do we expect world populations to make peace with one another?
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Setanta
 
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Fri 25 Nov, 2005 08:10 am
Frankly, i don't. When the world is full of heathen savages like christian or muslim fundamentalists who are happy to bomb the be-Jeebus out of anyone in their path, the expectation of making peace is nil.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Fri 25 Nov, 2005 08:12 am
spendius wrote:
Phoenix-

It's no contest actually.There are arguments that haven't even been hinted at yet and which the other side have no notion of.Our good manners refrain from deploying them to protect the innocent.


We are all grownups. (I trust). I don't think that there is any subject that cannot be aired in an atmosphere of intellectual curiosity, and give and take.
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edgarblythe
 
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Fri 25 Nov, 2005 08:47 am
Arguments not hinted at, which the other side have no notion of. Give me a break.
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spendius
 
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Fri 25 Nov, 2005 09:08 am
I already have.
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edgarblythe
 
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Fri 25 Nov, 2005 09:12 am
What a clown. Do you wear yellow shoes and a red nose?
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spendius
 
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Fri 25 Nov, 2005 09:13 am
niriain asked on another thread-

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How and to what does ecstasy bind in the body? Also how does it effect serotonin levels?
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spendius
 
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Fri 25 Nov, 2005 09:14 am
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What a clown. Do you wear yellow shoes and a red nose?


Five year olds can do that.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Fri 25 Nov, 2005 09:20 am
Setanta wrote:
Frankly, i don't. When the world is full of heathen savages like christian or muslim fundamentalists who are happy to bomb the be-Jeebus out of anyone in their path, the expectation of making peace is nil.


Quote:
It's better to light a candle than curse the darkness
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ossobuco
 
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Fri 25 Nov, 2005 09:21 am
<thanks for the links, Joe. Brought back memories of Vidal and Buckley on the Cavitt show...>
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Phoenix32890
 
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Fri 25 Nov, 2005 09:28 am
Set- One thing that I have learned in life, is that talking out things with people, especially with people with whom you don't agree, is the best way to come to at least an understanding, if not an agreement.

I think that a lot of misunderstanding is rooted in fear. Open communication relieves a lot of that fear, and helps people to get along with one another. Bringing differences out in the open, in a dispassionate, intelligent way, free of diatribe and innuendo, will do much to create good will amongst individuals.

I cannot control what is going on in the world, and I am not naive enough to think that what I do will make a bit of difference in the larger scheme of things. What I do know, is that I can interact with people with whom I come in contact, and make that smaller world a better place to be.
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Setanta
 
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Fri 25 Nov, 2005 09:29 am
I go from one decade to the next without discussing religion in real life, Phoenix . . . spare me your attempts at enlightenment, 'K?
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edgarblythe
 
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Fri 25 Nov, 2005 09:34 am
Five year olds and a2kers.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Fri 25 Nov, 2005 09:37 am
Setanta wrote:
I go from one decade to the next without discussing religion in real life, Phoenix . . . spare me your attempts at enlightenment, 'K?


Will do. And I agree about not talking about religion..............well, not completely. I do have a friend who is of like mind, and we do "get into it" from time to time. Funny thing, politically we are opposite, and we tease each other about it.
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JPB
 
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Fri 25 Nov, 2005 09:37 am
If people believe what they believe and honor the beliefs of others then there isn't any need for contention. If people believe what they believe and are self-righteous to the point of being obnoxious then there will be contention but not the level of contention we have here. But when people believe what they believe and are self-righteous to the point of working to change the law of the land to reflect their theology, then those who don't believe have every right and IMO obligation to expose the effort for what it is and fight with whatever strength they have.

Momma Angel has stated her intention to lobby to change the laws of the US to reflect those of her Christianity. She has stated that the laws of her Christian God supersede any law written by man and man's written laws need to change to reflect the laws of her God. I'm surprised more people aren't jumping all over this. Phoenix, if MA's interests were in living her life under the direction of her Bible then I would have no qualms with her position whatsoever. It is her stated intent to change the laws that you and I live under that has me irate.

Intrepid states he doesn't understand where all the animosity from the US posters comes from. Perhaps he doesn't have a conservative Christian coalition trying to rewrite the laws of Canada to reflect his Christian God, or perhaps he agrees with the efforts if they exist.

Snood thinks Momma Angel's beliefs are hers and she isn't hurting anyone and doesn't deserve the wrath of those who don't believe the way she does.

Some think that lobbying efforts to change the laws to the US to reflect the laws of the Christian God isn't an attempt to hurt anyone, or that posting websites from Christian groups who claim that the Constitution was written by Christians for Christians and should be construed to reflect Christianity isn't an attempt to hurt anyone. I think it is vital that moderate Christians, liberal Christians, and non-Christians alike expose this activity for exactly what it is and fight against it with every possible resource.

I too think Momma Angel has a warm heart. I too think she has found peace in her religion that she didn't have before. I wouldn't dream of taking that peace away from her, but I will fight with every ounce of energy I have against her stated efforts to turn this country into a Christian homeland.
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Francis
 
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Fri 25 Nov, 2005 09:42 am
J_B wrote:
I too think Momma Angel has a warm heart.


The road to hell is paved with good intentions
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Phoenix32890
 
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Fri 25 Nov, 2005 09:47 am
J_B- I cannot fault anything that you said in your last post. Many times, on many threads, I have stated that I may not respect a person's beliefs, but I respect the right of that person to hold those beliefs............................as long as that person's beliefs do not infringe on MY life.

George Bush's popularity has hit a very low point. I believe that the Republicans have finally gotten it into their heads that if they want any power in this country, they have to return to a more middle ground, to get any of their people elected. Therefore, it is their best interests, to extricate themselves from the radical Christian right. I think that the country is returning to moderation. And that, IMO, is a very good thing!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 25 Nov, 2005 10:02 am
J_B, Thank you for expressing in words I lack concerning the infringement of our lives by christians who believe they have a god-given right to change our laws to reflect their beliefs. They have already done harm to our children by getting some states to teach ID as science in our schools, and they wonder why we are so aggressive in our verbage. I doubt very much they will ever understand why there is a great divide between these fundy christians and those of us that disagree with their efforts to change the laws of this land to favor their religious beliefs.
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JLNobody
 
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Fri 25 Nov, 2005 12:01 pm
J_B, so is the road to Heaven.

I agree with Phoenix' sentiments but who can deny Set's:
"When the world is full of...christian or muslim fundamentalists who are happy to bomb the be-Jeebus out of anyone in their path, the expectation of making peace is nil."
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