Atheists... Your life is pointless

Most fun I've had in weeks!

Can't let this one go without a comment: please explain the undisputed effects of 'Gods'....? .....

Kinda reminds me of Aquinas' ontological proofs for the existence of God:

Essentially reduce to: gotta be a first mover...or a first cause...which we all agree is GOD.

Begging the question in reverse.

There is no unambiguous evidence for gods...and there is no unambiguous need for the existence of gods to explain existence.

That said, however, there is no evidence that gods cannot exist.

We do not know the nature of existence...if whatever is...always was...or if it came into existence. And if it came into existence...did it come into existence via a middleman (god)...or did it just happen.

Great mystery.

LOL I am looking forward to that also..........

It is hilarious I agree. But it isn't good on an atheist thread that not one educated atheist will offer a justification for bringing new life into what everybody knows is a vale of tears, trial and tribulation and a weary world of woe and where the most appalling risks have to be run by this new life which, in the nature of things, cannot be consulted.

The silly and childish sophistries we see, on this very page, are clear evidence that this important matter is being evaded. And in one case evaded by a chap who justifies the US containing 300 million guns on the grounds of the risks involved in just going to the shops or cinemas or to bed.

Mark Twain said he felt guilt and pain all the rest of his life because he advised his brother to be a riverboat pilot and he got killed in the job. Flaubert said he would rather be thrown in the Seine with a stone tied round his neck than father a child. And I have seen abortion justified on the grounds that the life aborted was better off being so.

Long winded blatherings about tooth fairies and the like and proving negatives are discussing atheism like sex lesson teachers discuss rumpy-pumpy. The thread is supposed to be about what it's like being an atheist and here we are with no atheist prepared to step forward on an issue which dwarfs all the other matters being brought up like Mt Everest dwarfs a grain of sand. In actual fact, and we know how important facts are to atheists, it is the only issue in sight.

Your Government wants babies so that they have a steady supply of people to boss around, tax, and who will go to hell and back to keep them in power. Hence all the cute pictures of smiling babies and the fuss being made over the Duchess of Cambridge's pregnancy which, from a scientific point of view, is the same as any old pregnancy up and down the land and from sea to shining sea. It's importance is a spiritual matter involving the mystique of aristocracy
and, on past form, will cause a small spike in the birth rate. Just as recessions cause downward blips.

Our primary school system is alleged to be 250,000 places short next year which I presume is the effect of the rattling good boom which ended when Leman Bros. bit the dust. The Government seemingly having not noticed what was happening. The idea that class sizes are increased by two or three would get blocked by the NUT for reasons I needn't explain to such an audience as I am here addressing.

Yes, but for some this would be enough:

argumentum ad ignorantiam

LOL so a believe in some fantasy being is needed to make life worth living!!!!!!!

Silly person I had have a wonderful life and had enjoyed and am currently enjoying this wonderful and strange universe I found myself in so a vale of tears is nonsense.

No problem with bringing new life into this thankfully godless universe on my part at least.

Now bringing new life into a universe run by a sadistic god who on whim would for example drown almost all life on earth and condemn a large part of the human race to everlasting torture after death would be another subject.

Even Setanta will tell you that 10 lifetimes would be required to address such a banal request. Suffice to say that you eating with a knife and fork is one of them. Assuming, of course, that you do so.

LOL,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,what a silly person.

What a bloody silly exclamation that is in the service of evading the need to justify life being worth living to the poor little buggers it is to be foisted upon.



Not playing the tune to fit the occasion by any chance are you Bill?

I must admit when it comes to soup... I do not.

Why did you, Bill, and ever atheist skip this post? There are infinite things we believe, because we simply believe it is true...that we can not see, or empirically experience...though many atheists claim to be "looking" for this...

Do you think about how oxygen exists, as you breath it in to survive? While you can not see it, or empirically experience it? Or do you believe that it is a factual statement because you believe it is true? Because Joseph Priestly, and Carl Whilhelm Scheele took a chance at a belief they did not know?

How convenient it is to claim to reject something, because you do not believe you reject these beliefs...and try to shoot down the ones who do...While "every fact" is a "belief" at some point that "could be" wrong...while it is never fully "known" for "certain" it is a "fact" even if it seems almost infinitely more plausible than a belief in a God...

It is the same exact subjective belief, that a believer has, but they admit the truths about them...

Just like a religious beliefs is/are...It is the same exact thing as having a "rejection"

What is there to "reject" about anything that one does not "believe" exists?

It would indeed. But I am not asking Christians to justify creating new life. I am asking atheists. On your own assumptions such fates can be avoided by simply being saintly, like Mr Huckabee, and refraining from sinning. Only a person falling short of saintliness would worry about such things it seems to me.

It was a metaphor Bill for every little thing you do from daybreak to daybreak. Even your dreams.

Wrong science come up with a model of how the universe work and generate predictions that can be check if the model reflect correctly the way the universe happen to be build.

Dark matter for example bend light and change orbits and the formations of galaxies so we have a solid reason to think that dark matter is real.

When you can come up with solid predictions that is testable concerning some supernatural being existing get back to me and the rest of mankind.

Humans are optimistic by nature... they have short memories for fleeting suffering... they selectively remember 'the good times' from their past... their future happiness is often linked to how happy they can make their progeny. Many suffer due to the lack of offspring in their life. This is as true for atheists as it is for non-atheists.

Really? Are you setanta's mentor or is he yours? Or is this something you both agree on?

Are you getting pedantic on purpose or can you not help it? Insert "bacon and eggs" before "eating" eh? Or "well done beefsteak".

How about the design of the trousers you have on. Or an explanation of your stated interest, which doesn't mean an actual interest, obviously, in Philosophy, Logic, General, Science, Biology, Linguistics, Ethics, Relative, Etymology, Philosophy Of Mind, Truth, Philosophy Of Language, Buddhism, Virtue Ethics, Religion, Knowledge, Fil, Arguments, Morality, and Metaphysics.

The chances of you being interested in such matters at all without the Christian God asymptote to zero.

What do you think "The World as Will and Idea" means?

I did not know this will you help me to see more clearly?

That not what the main Christians religions claimed!!!!!!!!!!!

No one can be without sin and all need Jesus forgiveness otherwise even for persons most people would surely consider saintly is going to being spending eternity being torture.

Even with Jesus the Christian god is more of a devil then most devils.