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Atheists... Your life is pointless

 
 
snood
 
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Wed 23 Nov, 2005 10:03 pm
mesquite wrote:
It was not my intention to run anybody off, but the subject of church state separation is one that I consider to be of extreme importance to this country and one that needs to be discussed frankly without all of the fundamentalist bullcrap obfuscation


Yeah, gotta discuss that stuff frankly. And if some pantywaists get trampled in the process, so be it. They shoulda brought their jockstraps.
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JPB
 
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Wed 23 Nov, 2005 10:20 pm
Momma Angel wrote:
Mesquite,

I have never even gotten close to telling you or anyone else that "AT WHATEVER COST" I want the laws the way I want them. I told you and others over and over again, WITHIN THE LAWS OF THE LAND.

And, did you ever tell me what you thought of this? I don't recall anyone ever saying anything about it.

http://www.noapathy.org/tracts/mythofseparation.html


You don't recall anyone ever saying anything about it? Here was my response to you about it earlier this week.

J_B wrote:

Momma, your last question to me was my opinion on following the laws of God vs the Constitution. I firmly believe each individual is entitled to follow the laws of their God so long as it does not interfere with the rights of others nor violate the laws of the land. As a society we need to follow the laws of the land. Regardless of the religious convictions of the writers of the Constitution, we are and should be governed by the law of the land. This land is not solely a land of Christians. It wasn't then and it most certainly isn't now. The Constitution could have easily been written to say, "We the Christian People" but it was not. It does not presume to institute the laws of God as the law of the land. A word search of the Constitution for the words God, Christian, or Christianity come up empty. The premise that the law of the Christian God should be the law of the land smacks of the American Taliban and should be fought against in the strongest possible sense. After looking at the website you provided I was struck by the thought of America as the "Christian homeland". It occurs to me that the Christian right has glommed onto American as a candidate for a Christian homeland. The Jews claim and control Israel and operate it under the laws of their God, the Muslims claim and control many of the countries of the middle east and operate them under the laws of their God, it seems that the Christian right is attempting to claim and control the US and run it under the laws of the Christian God. Is that what you are saying, Momma? That this is, or should be a Christian homeland?


whadoyamean no one has ever said anything about it?
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JLNobody
 
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Wed 23 Nov, 2005 11:36 pm
Talk7200, I was just saying that men of ancient times were ignorant of what we call the facts of nature. This includes the age of the earth, the causes of illness, the nature of social systems (i.e., sociology), the causes of weather, etc. etc. .
It follows that their ignorance would result in some pretty fantastic beliefs.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 23 Nov, 2005 11:38 pm
JLN, Don't forget the miracles they claimed. It suddenly stopped with the bible written some decades/centuries after the events.
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JLNobody
 
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Wed 23 Nov, 2005 11:46 pm
C.I., are you posting from Europe? How are you doing it?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 23 Nov, 2005 11:52 pm
JLN, I've been home since last Saturday. I also posted from Europe when I found an internet cafe.
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mesquite
 
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Wed 23 Nov, 2005 11:56 pm
snood wrote:
mesquite wrote:
It was not my intention to run anybody off, but the subject of church state separation is one that I consider to be of extreme importance to this country and one that needs to be discussed frankly without all of the fundamentalist bullcrap obfuscation


Yeah, gotta discuss that stuff frankly. And if some pantywaists get trampled in the process, so be it. They shoulda brought their jockstraps.


Do you have a problem with something I wrote Snood? Don't hold back. Say what's on your mind.
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snood
 
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Thu 24 Nov, 2005 08:16 am
mesquite wrote:
snood wrote:
mesquite wrote:
It was not my intention to run anybody off, but the subject of church state separation is one that I consider to be of extreme importance to this country and one that needs to be discussed frankly without all of the fundamentalist bullcrap obfuscation


Yeah, gotta discuss that stuff frankly. And if some pantywaists get trampled in the process, so be it. They shoulda brought their jockstraps.


Do you have a problem with something I wrote Snood? Don't hold back. Say what's on your mind.


Naw, man - I'm with you. Most people don't know how inportant it is to lay down the law to those damn namby-pambies like Momma Angel. Who the hell does she think she is trying to hold on to her faith and defending it in as genuine and hearfelt manner as she could? I mean, don't people see how important it is to crush the feelings of that kind of person under the sheer weight of scientific, logical facts? No, I'm with you, man! Keep on keeping on.
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John Creasy
 
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Thu 24 Nov, 2005 09:06 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
"Typical" good observation from Set.


typical groupie response from the imposter
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neologist
 
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Thu 24 Nov, 2005 09:12 am
JLNobody wrote:
Talk7200, I was just saying that men of ancient times were ignorant of what we call the facts of nature. This includes the age of the earth, the causes of illness, the nature of social systems (i.e., sociology), the causes of weather, etc. etc. .
It follows that their ignorance would result in some pretty fantastic beliefs.
It also makes the Hebrews' sanitary regulations quite remarkable.
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Setanta
 
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Thu 24 Nov, 2005 09:16 am
neologist wrote:
It also makes the Hebrews' sanitary regulations quite remarkable.


Although, of course, there is no good historical reason to assume that very much, if any, of the stories and ideas embodied in the bobble are original to the Jews--so that their "sanitary regulations" could as well have been borrowed from the Egyptians, or the Akkadians, or the Assyrians or the Medes and Persians, as were so many of the legends and fairy tales they borrowed.
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Joe Nation
 
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Thu 24 Nov, 2005 09:32 am
The Levites screwed up by making both the consumption of lobster and cheeseburgers out of bounds.

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Snood: Please provide a list of those posters you believe should have some kind of protected status and the reasons each should be allowed to continue bloviating their peculiar view of the world without any derogatory, or even countering, comments being made.

Would the first be that their philosophy is based on a fragile web of fictions that disintegrates at the first hot breath of reality?

Joe(Got no afterlife to bet on, got to do what I can do here and now)Nation
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snood
 
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Thu 24 Nov, 2005 09:41 am
Joe Nation wrote:
The Levites screwed up by making both the consumption of lobster and cheeseburgers out of bounds.

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Snood: Please provide a list of those posters you believe should have some kind of protected status and the reasons each should be allowed to continue bloviating their peculiar view of the world without any derogatory, or even countering, comments being made.

Would the first be that their philosophy is based on a fragile web of fictions that disintegrates at the first hot breath of reality?

Joe(Got no afterlife to bet on, got to do what I can do here and now)Nation


No need for a list from me, Joe. You got this whole thing under control. Just keep letting those dumb, deluded doggone believers know what the real deal is - that this life is all there is, and they'd better get on the Joe(I still think this is novel and cute)Nation train or live a wasted life. What in the hell is wrong with those people anyway, having hope of an afterlife? If they had the sense God gave a flea (just to coin a phrase - no offense), they'd know that all that stupid mess they call faith is just fear and superstition, right? Keep on keeping on, Joe, my main man.
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Setanta
 
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Thu 24 Nov, 2005 09:44 am
Puerile sarcasm wears thing really quickly, Snood, and frankly, Joe nailed you to wall for your prejudice . . .
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snood
 
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Thu 24 Nov, 2005 09:47 am
Setanta wrote:
Puerile sarcasm wears thing really quickly, Snood, and frankly, Joe nailed you to wall for your prejudice . . .


Well I bow to your piercing perception of where to draw those lines on sarcasm, Setanta. Who'd know better?
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edgarblythe
 
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Thu 24 Nov, 2005 09:48 am
Well, by golly, I think we should all lay down and let the religious tell us we are the problem and thank them for their courtesy.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 24 Nov, 2005 09:55 am
edgar, That'll never happen - and you know it! LOL
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cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 24 Nov, 2005 09:55 am
BTW, HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL! And I mean all.
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Joe Nation
 
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Thu 24 Nov, 2005 10:03 am
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If they had the sense God gave a flea (just to coin a phrase - no offense), they'd know that all that stupid mess they call faith is just fear and superstition, right?


Geese. It's 'if they had the sense God gave geese they'd know that all that stupid mess they call faith is just fear and superstition.' Let's stick with tradition, Snood, no sense testing the bounds of anything by creating anything beyond our present condition. Might lead to sin or doubts. Might lead to someone questioning what and how we believe and you know that's not right. People who have beliefs must have those beliefs respected. It doesn't matter if one believes Christ is Lord of all or the tree spirit Qitual brings the rain, or there is but one God, Allah, or the White Salamander speaks the sole truth of living, none of these have any more or less validity than anything else. Right?

Joe(your main man)Nation
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Setanta
 
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Thu 24 Nov, 2005 10:10 am
On page 60, in post #1685694, Fresco asked MOAN if, in her opinion, atheists have the right to defend themselves from the consequences of her belief. This was after a good deal of self-righteous crap from MOAN about how she doesn't tell others to do anything. She reponded in post #1685733 that she was not sure what consequences anyone would have to face because of what she believed. JL Nobody then asked, in post #1685789, the following question:

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MA, what if you and people with your religious beliefs should support political forces that lead to a theocracy in America? Would you call that a desireable "consequence?"


MOAN responded that she guessed JLN would have to be more specific.

At that point, in post #1686160, Mequite responded that such a possible theocracy were not a pipe dream, and linked two pages on the subject. On the top of page 61, in post #1686239, MOAN stated: "But, those views are not my views." After two general posts on the pernicious influences of organized religion, Mesquite quotes MOAN's post, and writes: "There is precious little evidence in your posts that you differ significantly from those views regarding separation of church and state."

On page 62, in post #1687025, MOAN counters by stating: "I have never even gotten close to telling you or anyone else that "AT WHATEVER COST" I want the laws the way I want them. I told you and others over and over again, WITHIN THE LAWS OF THE LAND." She then links a page which contends that there really is not a "wall of separation" between chruch and state, inviting comments.

On page 63, in post #1687553, Mesquite responds by quoting that post of MOAN's, and the provides several examples of MOAN's posts in which she states that she considers god's law to be superior to the law of the land, and links those posts so that anyone may assure themselves that he has correctly quoted her. He then thoroughly demolishes the arguments on the page MOAN had linked (which wasn't difficult, as said arguments were childish and based on historical half-truths or outright lies).

In post #1687563, MOAN responds: "Tell you what Mesquite. I quit. Ok? I give up. I can't take anymore. I just quit."

In the subsequent post, Mesquite asks her what it is that she quits. MOAN responds by shouting, thus: "EVERYTHING! PLEASE JUST LEAVE ME ALONE!"

So we don't have long to wait for Snood, Christian knight in shining armor, to show up to defend MOAN, as though she had been some unoffending innocent, happily tripping along the rocky road to heavenly salvation, when she was evilly mugged by the bad old atheists who lurk for no other purpose than to ridicule the beliefs of the god squad.

All of this in a thread entitled: "Atheists . . . your life is pointless" . . . ah, the acrid stench of self-righteous hypocricy . . .
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