Atheists... Your life is pointless

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Are there any "spirits" that are not imagined?

If speaking in absolute terms, I wouldn't know. Speaking only about my own experiences, yes.

Thanks for the response FBM.

Interesting.

One answer caused me to wonder if I misunderstood it...or if there is a subtly that I do not understand.

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Are there any "spirits" that are not imagined?

If speaking in absolute terms, I wouldn't know. Speaking only about my own experiences, yes.

If the final answer to the question is "yes"...(there may be an ambiguity), but one possible inference is that your experience has shown there actually are some spirits which are not the product of imagination.

Any comment?

Yes, mainly to the effect that I should proofread what I write more carefully.

I don't know if there are any spirits in the universe that are not imaginary. I do know that I imagined the ones I used to believe in. Can't speak for anyone or anything else.

As for the possibility that the spirits I used to believe in were/are real and that I am mistaken about having only imagined them, but have merely ceased to believe in them, that seems to me to be an unknowable without empirical evidence. If anybody has some, I'm open to it. In the meantime, I'm just reporting what my brain used to do and the way it's behaving now.

Once the discussion determines if an atheist's life is pointless, perhaps someone could explain why belief in a god gives a point to the believer's life. I don't see it, myself. Perhaps some of you good people do see it.

For me, God symbolizes every aspect of life that the "relativisms" have killed off -- true purpose, objective reality, objective morality, etc.

Nothing to say about my last posts Matt?

One might very well suppose that the great difficulties Roman government had in persuading the higher classes, the literate and educated, to have children was due to the fate they saw as likely to be visited upon any children they produced set against the benefits of the futility of a pointless life. A calculus of the joys and pains so to speak.

Which suggests that a literate society will, inevitably, think itself into extinction. The higher classes now have less children than others. So do the more literate nations than others.

Providing a point to life, even if it is make-belief, might be said to be the only reason we are here doing what we do.

On such an argument, promoting atheism is force to wreck our civilisation which is why only fools engage in it.

One might very well suppose that the great difficulties Roman government had in persuading the higher classes, the literate and educated, to have children was due to the fate they saw as likely to be visited upon any children they produced set against the benefits of the futility of a pointless life. A calculus of the joys and pains so to speak.

Which suggests that a literate society will, inevitably, think itself into extinction. The higher classes now have less children than others. So do the more literate nations than others.

Providing a point to life, even if it is make-belief, might be said to be the only reason we are here doing what we do.

On such an argument, promoting atheism is force to wreck our civilisation which is why only fools engage in it.

I actually don't disagree much with what you say in here,

One might very well suppose that the great difficulties Roman government had in persuading the higher classes, the literate and educated, to have children was due to the fate they saw as likely to be visited upon any children they produced set against the benefits of the futility of a pointless life. A calculus of the joys and pains so to speak.

the reasons why we are, who we are, and may be as special of a life form as we may be is because of our acknowledgements of thinking we are correct, and acknowledging we are not when we think we are incorrect...It is the main distinction that makes us different than any other life form.

Does this include all humans or do you think that there could be a possibility that some of our love ones fall into a category that other animals may fall into? "not making fun of them or trying to take advantage of them.