@Setanta,
Quote:Now you want to claim that gods, fairies, pixies and elves are natural, that they are not supernatural.
IF they exist...they are part of nature...of REALITY. That would make them real and natural.
Quote: It appears to me that you are beggaring the discussion in an effort to avoid the implications of your position.
I'm not.
Quote:If there were a god, and said god were, as you put it, eternal and able to create universes, then said god would be supernatural.
If the god exists...it is a part of nature. Not sure why you are arguing otherwise, but I maintain that IF a god exists...or IF pixies or fairies exist...that would make them a part of REALITY...and would make them natural.
Quote:If you exclude any other category of supernatural beings...
But I am not.
Quote:...you are no longer an agnostic, you are just struggling against the implications of theism or atheism.
Fine with me. I have tried to avoid using the term agnostic...and have explained my reasons for that.
So, I am not an agnostic.
But...I do not know if there is a GOD or if there are gods; I do not know if there are no gods; I see no reason to suspect gods cannot exist; I see no reason that suggests gods are needed to explain existence; I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction.
What do you see as inappropriate, illogical, or wrong about that position?