Atheists... Your life is pointless

To say that God is a forgiving God, and is going to save everyone is not attacking him at all...To say he has no power to actually stop people from suffering forever since it is not his will is attacking him, because it says he has limits, which a God would not have on any level...Unless you mean the Devil or an inferior God has limits and then I would agree with you...

I can acknowledge that it was Hell, because I knew I was in Hell and was experiencing Hell....I did not need to stay there forever to know it was Hell...And no single person would have to be subjected to Hell forever to know that it is Hell, and that they would freely want to get the Hell out of there if there is an actual way...And if people realize this, and it is not Gods will to send anyone there forever, he has no reason to actually make them spend eternity in Hell forever unless they actually wanted to do it...

But I do not think that anyone would, if their Hell got worse and worse till they could not stand it anymore an accepted that God is God and was correct and is the only alternative and it is the correct one...

You may think you are cursed to Hell forever, and there is no hope for you...But myself, and God have hope for you...And even if you want to be there forever, you will lose that battle also....Because your pain will get worse and worse till you acknowledge you do not actually want to be there anymore....And embrace God...So that your pain stops so that not a single living thing can defeat or corner this God in any single way...

That is just an in case, because I do not want you to think I am making death threats again.... ....Since you are the one who has said you are destined for Hell and you have no option...I am simply saying I think that what you have said is indeed incorrect...And you will have an option and are not condemned....But if it makes you feel better, I could be wrong about what I have said...

Do you honestly think you would have to go to Hell forever to know that Hell is Hell or you were in Hell? Why? And how could you think this if you have never been?

It would take one second to know you are in Hell, and it would be Hell to think there is no way out...Once you realize that, then see there is a way out, you would not need to be anymore...because you know what Hell is, and would want out....and not need to go ever again...

And if you did not want out...If your pain got worse and worse you would cave in about it...Only a moron would want to stay to suffer more...forever...

If Hell was the same thing, there would be people capable of being able to withstand it even if it is unimaginable pain...Because if they have no option to ever get out....Then they would have to endure it forever though people think this is not possible...And they would be doing the possible with an impossible....

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To say that God is a forgiving God, and is going to save everyone is not attacking him at all...To say he has no power to actually stop people from suffering forever since it is not his will is attacking him, because it says he has limits, which a God would not have on any level...Unless you mean the Devil or an inferior God has limits and then I would agree with you...

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This is your world view?
Have you truly asked for such a lie?
The universe asks rarely, think wisely.

The remainder is of slight significance to me,
Human emotion loss level.. Persists, as does the attack within it, walker through mere misery.

Emotion is your soul and its effect on your brain, your mind is separate..
You have as long as you require to respond.
Re-read the previous posts before answering, I urge you..

If you want me to reread it, or think I am not fully understanding you...

Can you post it in the most direct way possible? For me to understand exactly what you are saying? So that I think I do not misunderstand anything about what you have said or asked me? Or so I can get the best possible understanding I could from it....And limit the misunderstandings?

Or are you going to urge me to re-read it, but keep posting in personifications? And or Riddles?

Yes, I see your point.
Never mind, challenge withdrawn.
It would be as crass the attack upon you, as that which occurs against us, would require you to level emotion and see plain logic, free from Gods who pretend they own an entire planet in one instant.

I have no axe to grind with you, may the best possible end result under your God occur for you.

Peace be with you.

Peace be with you too...

Izzythepush, what you haven’t read your bible? It never fails to amaze me the number of Christians who have never read the entire bible. They are directed to read certain sections. It has been 6 years since I have argued religious philosophy and it will take me a while to locate the exact chapter and verse. When I first ran across it quoted I could not believe it. When I checked the family bible it was not there. So I called an aunt who is protestant and had her check her bible and sure enough it was in the bible. Our bible was a Catholic bible and it seems the Catholic Church decided to edit god and cut out the more offensive passages. The preachers I was arguing with were all very familiar with the passage and came up with all kinds of rationalizations as to why the passage was there. Murdering children was accepted practice by the ignorant bible heroes and Mosses often order all the children of the tribes they conquered slaughtered so murdering children was a pastime for these goons. The killing in Newtown would have paled beside the slaughter by the bible role models in the bible. It should not surprise you that murder of children found its way into the bible it is what they did. Preachers are schooled to rationalize that passage just in case one of their followers actually reads the bible. Unfortunately I didn’t bookmark my wife bible so it will take me some research in my library to find the particular book it was referenced in. As soon as I find it I will post it. In the meantime ask any preacher that has a good education and he will know exactly what I am referring to. He will provide you with the appropriate rationalizations.

I have not been avoiding the question I just had not found it yet. I just scan this till I find a reply and reply to that. I spend most of my time arguing political philosophy.

Is this what you are referring to?

Psalm 137:8 Babylon, you will be destroyed. Happy are those who pay you back for what you have done to us-- 9 who take your babies and smash them against a rock.

Do you realize what this is saying? It was the Babylonians that took the Jewish children and smashed them against the rocks when they conquered them.

I am not certain, do you have evidence to back up your claim? I will be glad to research it to validate your claim if you can't.

Given that the flood story have a god who had a bad hair day and drown the whole human race except for one family and most to the animals lives murdering children is a small sin.

Reasoning Logic that sounds pretty close, I have not located the book I have it book marked in yet. It always seems the one book that you need is the one that is the hardest to find.

Amen preacher

It says what it says so I can't deny it says Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. It is talking about it being done to their enemies. But again, this is not the way God deals with us or would have us deal with anyone today so why do you bring it up?

Arella, how is that any different than Mosses giving the orders to slaughter all the children of another tribe because they refused passage across their land?

BillRM what happens there is people get lost in the numbers eliminating the entire human race except for one family is so staggering that most can’t comprehend it. It numbs the mind. But the innocence of children personalizes it just as at Newtown shooting. If 26 people had been shot at a mall the country would have wrote it off as just a run of the mill shooting but killing 20 little children was unimaginable but not enough to numb the mind.

Perhaps it would behoove you to know that there were plenty of tribes, clans, etc., that went through the countries and slaughtered people. Most of them were pagans. Did you know the Midianites threw their children into the fires of Molech? They took their own babies and tossed them into the flames and were singing and playing instruments to drown out the sounds of the children screaming.

One thing people tend to forget is this was a very barbaric time in history. I don't like the fact that God wiped out people like He did. I am human so of course it's going to cause me some angst, to say the least. But He is God. I am not. Again, I was discussing with rl why when God is no longer doing these things and why that isn't that good enough.

Well it is nice to see you have an empathic response.



Are you sure that the people who were writing about these immoral acts were actual representing a God and not their own animal behaviors?

When you answer my question about why you would bring up something God does not do anymore...............then I'll answer you.

I do not believe in a God so how could I answer a question about something I do not believe in?

I see, you don't believe in him but you talk about him? Hmmmm..................so why do you care what anyone thinks about Him.