Atheists... Your life is pointless

@Zardoz,

Why won't you answer my question?

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Where in the Bible does it say 'bliss will be found by bashing your children’s brains out on the rocks?'

@izzythepush,

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Where in the Bible does it say 'bliss will be found by bashing your children’s brains out on the rocks?'

I have seen where people have interpreted a verse that way which may not be true but from what I understand "the people we get our religion from "the people who came before them did very crazy things like putting their babies in fire.

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@reasoning logic,

What has that got to do with the price of milk?

Zardoz made a statement about the Bible, he still has to back this statement up with hard facts.

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@izzythepush,

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Zardoz made a statement about the Bible, he still has to back this statement up with hard facts.

Well you do have a point, I hope that you do not ask the same from me because I would have to do a whole lot of back tracking to share with you how I came to the understanding that I shared. Wink

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@reasoning logic,

Again you miss the point. I'm not asking Zardoz or you about understandings. I'm simply asking him to back up a statement with evidence.

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@izzythepush,

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Again you miss the point. I'm not asking Zardoz or you about understandings. I'm simply asking him to back up a statement with evidence.

No izzy I understood your point clearly and I agreed with you. that is why I said I would hate to have to research the info that I acquired to come to my understanding "the evidence I seen" You are correct though he is quoting the bible so that should be rather easy I would think, If it were true.

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Izzy, RL...I am almost certain Zardoz was referring to the passage at Deuteronomy 22:18ff.

The passage certainly does not say, as Zardoz suggests, that 'bliss will be found by bashing your children’s brains out on the rocks?’...but it does not miss that hyperbole mark by much.

The passage reads:

"If a man has a stubborn and unruly son who will not listen to
his father or mother, and will not obey them even though they
chastise him, his father and mother shall have him apprehended
and brought out to the elders at the gate of his home city, where
...his fellow citizens shall stone him to death."

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@Frank Apisa,

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"If a man has a stubborn and unruly son who will not listen to
his father or mother, and will not obey them even though they
chastise him, his father and mother shall have him apprehended
and brought out to the elders at the gate of his home city, where
...his fellow citizens shall stone him to death."

This could be a bad thing if people interpret the bible literally. Could you imagine if a son was refusing to shave the head of a captured virgin and making her his sex slave because his father told him the bible said it should be so in so many words?

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@reasoning logic,

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5209009)
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"If a man has a stubborn and unruly son who will not listen to
his father or mother, and will not obey them even though they
chastise him, his father and mother shall have him apprehended
and brought out to the elders at the gate of his home city, where
...his fellow citizens shall stone him to death."

This could be a bad thing if people interpret the bible literally. Could you imagine if a son was refusing to shave the head of a captured virgin and making her his sex slave because his father told him the bible said it should be so in so many words?

The book is screwed up in so many ways, RL!

The best guess that can be made about it (in my estimation) is that it is a self-serving history of the early Hebrews...interspersed with a rather violent and fanciful mythology.

I try not to pay it too much mind...and I am astounded when I realize that otherwise decent, intelligent people pay it a LOT of attention.

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@Frank Apisa,

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I try not to pay it too much mind...and I am astounded when I realize that otherwise decent, intelligent people pay it a LOT of attention.

I study human behavior even though I do not have it figured out nor do I think anyone will ever but the closest understanding that makes sense to me is evolution.

We are evolving and where we came from, no one would want to go there "not even the most insane among us. Would you expect a monkey to behave any different? It is not the fault of none of us "the crazy things we do, "we are our brains.

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@reasoning logic,

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I study human behavior even though I do not have it figured out nor do I think anyone will ever but the closest understanding that makes sense to me is evolution.

It seems almost certain that we have evolved...and that we are where we are as the result of evolution, RL. I think we move closer and closer to proving that beyond any doubt with each passing day.

HOWEVER...it is as possible that "the evolution" is the result of a GOD deciding that is the way IT wanted things to go...as it is that it all just happened.

Said another way: It appears as though PROVING that evolution occurred (and is occurring) has absolutely no impact on the question, "Is there a GOD involved in REALITY?"

I realize intelligent people disagree with me on that.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Said another way: It appears as though PROVING that evolution occurred (and is occurring) has absolutely no impact on the question, "Is there a GOD involved in REALITY?"

I agree Frank and the only impact on me and others who think similar as me is the lack of any evidence that a god exist.

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@reasoning logic,

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Said another way: It appears as though PROVING that evolution occurred (and is occurring) has absolutely no impact on the question, "Is there a GOD involved in REALITY?"

I agree Frank and the only impact on me and others who think similar as me is the lack of any evidence that a god exist.

I get you completely on that, RL...but that is such a slippery road, I prefer to avoid it.

Lack of evidence of "x"...is truly not evidence that "x" does not exist. In fact, often we do not even know if the evidence is truly lacking...or if we simply are unable to see it. We apparently have zero evidence of life on any of the planets circling the nearest 5 stars to Sol...but that should only lead to "I do not know if there is any life on any of those planets" rather than "therefore there is no life on those planets."

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@Frank Apisa,

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Lack of evidence of "x"...is truly not evidence that "x" does not exist. In fact, often we do not even know if the evidence is truly lacking...or if we simply are unable to see it.

Frank I agree with you 100% and there will be many things to come that we had no evidence for but we will find that they do exist but for some reason when I think of a God it reminds me of the 2 invisible elves. lol Cool

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@reasoning logic,

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I study human behavior even though I do not have it figured out nor do I think anyone will ever but the closest understanding that makes sense to me is evolution.

Try the ads, rl, as I advised you to do. The people who make those and arrange their positioning look to me to have human behaviour pretty well covered and are paid high salaries for their expertise.

Evolution is not only a very easy ride for wannabee scientifics, and those who have a need to discredit Christian morality, but is only a guide to human behaviour in extreme conditions or when the shithouse door is closed.

You have to be able to deal with being expertly pigeon-holed mind you but I'm sure a man of your intellectual abilities can handle it. Once you get past the identity crisis it gets quite amusing.

Evolution is only amusing to extremely mordant mentalities. Very few can laugh all the way through Origins of Species as one of Mr Darwin's friends said he did.

We often first feel how old we are getting when we notice how young the policemen look but it really comes home more forcefully when one finds oneself watching programmes with ads for walk-in baths, stair lifts, remote controlled garage doors and conservatory curtains, funeral insurance, cruises, BUPA and wrinkle creams. The selections of musical sound tracks accompanying such a style is interesting as well. So also colouring.

In fact quite a lot of TV programmes are made with the sole intention of attracting ads from interested parties.

For example--the first thing is to stitch together a range of products identified with a specific category of people. Then to contact the market leaders in those products asking would they be interested if a programme suited their target market. Once a sufficient number at the price is reached, allowing an amount for "overheads" of course, a creative person is brought in to design the best vehicle for the display of the ads.

How badly old folks are treated is a staple.

The rather notorious Footballer's Wives series, which was quickly abandoned when it made it so obvious what the game was, was an excellent study of human behaviour.

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@spendius,

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Try the ads, rl, as I advised you to do. The people who make those and arrange their positioning look to me to have human behaviour pretty well covered and are paid high salaries for their expertise

I should have known that I could count on you to have human behavior figured out.

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@izzythepush,

I am sorry mate...I figured you were busy...And so was I...I did say everyone so I did mean you...But I want to say it directly to you...

I hope you had a great holdiay....mate...And I hope you have a great New Years also...

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@reasoning logic,

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Spade you know I love you like a brother but that video makes me angry because it does not seem to have any logical reasoning to support it.

I do not mean to be angry but I find it to be lacking reality and it makes me want to say many cuss words not toward the people but toward the belief.

Does that upset you because you look at that video as men that are giving praise to a piece of bread?

Because I would say you do not understand the belief then

The point is that the bread is trancended into a way that we can physically recieve the bread, and actually recieve a piece of this God, and his spirit...because he said that it would...

If you do not think it works or do not remember than I would say to go into a church, and actually do it once more and see it is does not make you feel better after you do it...

If your point is then that it is just a mind over matter thing...Then I would say that you have a point...

But there is no proof that that is not God doing it himself anyways...

When is a mind over matter thing done when it is not religiously based? Can you name one?

Because in my own subjective experiences it happens when I pry, or recieve the bread of life...

And I can not think of another time that that actually happens to me....

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@Frank Apisa,

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The book is screwed up in so many ways, RL!

The best guess that can be made about it (in my estimation) is that it is a self-serving history of the early Hebrews...interspersed with a rather violent and fanciful mythology.

I try not to pay it too much mind...and I am astounded when I realize that otherwise decent, intelligent people pay it a LOT of attention.

Well, I am not sure if I am one of these people or not...But I will give you my honest introspections about what you have said...

I think that many different things that are said or are taught in the Bible, are not meant to be taken litteraly as in strictly the word of God, like people think it is strictly meant to be taken...Or in a way where he is trying to set down commands....Such as that passage that you quoted...

But rather I think that God wanted his people or believers of him to know what prudence is, and understand what things of good judgement are...And what are not...By actually knowing this God...And his prophets...And "said believers" not just doing everything that they were told to do...Because the Bible says in Revelations that it is a test and it is to become prudent, and everything is not summed in that one book as Gods words are forever going...

So it was still God who was saying the words written, And that is why the Bible would be true, from my perspective...but not in the ways that many many people think that they were from God, or the Bible being true...because it takes prudence to see the Bible for what it is...Just like it says at the very end of it...

Do I think that some people killed their children? Or stoned Homosexuals? etc...

I would have to say that I think people who thought they knew God did...

Why did God then chose to reveal it this exact way? Knowing innocent people would be killed? I am not sure that anyone would ever know, Other than having a subjective opinion such as that the ones killed must be exceedingly great In Heaven forever....Or may have been given some kind of oppurtunity at another life, where they were some type of king or something, if they truly wanted to live again....

But the people who did the killings thinking they knew what this God was truly all about, may be saved for having the faith....But they are servants and have their place as being the ones who serve the ones who were killed...And that would be the only way that this God could see how to correctly distinguish who was more of a faithful person than another, if people are all saved...

But I could not begin to prove anything I have just said, and it is my own interpretations....When I have read and reread the Bible...

And that is why I would say the Bible is worth paying attention too and how it is not screwed up but it constantly makes you think about everything....From every perspective possible....Unlike any other book...Even Islam to me, because it claims that it perfected in its own writings, and can not be shown to be rewritten in another way...And I do not think that that is correct, because if it is the same God as the Christian one, then this God could certainly send anyone he wanted too, to rewrite anything he sent people to write in any other way that this God wanted to do....And even saying that the book is perfected is setting limitations on this God (in my own opinions)

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@reasoning logic,

Quote:Izzythepush
Where in the Bible does it say 'bliss will be found by bashing your children’s brains out on the rocks?'

Followed on by Reasoning logic... Thus.

I have seen where people have interpreted a verse that way which may not be true but from what I understand "the people we get our religion from "the people who came before them did very crazy things like putting their babies in fire.

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It is that which attacks those with faith, who .. Being capable, and with power of puppetry, insists through the skewing of mind, that release from ones prison occurs if one abandons his children and enjoy's it so..
Prison occurs for the refusal, that I know.
It appears it also occurs for the acceptance.

As to deeper meaning, many wallow in, or break free from such notions as simply not their business, I cannot pretend to know about that.

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