Atheists... Your life is pointless

@Frank Apisa,

I am making my reply to you, but how was everyone's Christmas day?

I feel asleep at one point....And Jesus even came to me in a dream, and had said something like, awake...For you can lay down and sleep during the day during any night...But my Birthday, comes but once a year...

Enjoy the full day with everyone...And do not waste it sleeping it away...

I thought it was pretty moving myself...

Because it got me to realize this is also true for everyday as well and to appreciate what life has to offer always...Even if things seem bad at times...

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@reasoning logic,

Why? Because you think there is no logic for the belief?

What about the people who think there is?

Why do you say you are an atheist Christain?

If there is no logic in the belief?

Do you think that embracing certain moral teachings is partly embracing the belief? Or do you think it is completly different?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Why? Because you think there is no logic for the belief?

I think there is no logic in believing things that can not be proven by statistics or by science.

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Why do you say you are an atheist Christain?

Because I found logic in what the Therapeutaes taught.

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Why do you say you are an atheist Christain?

If there is no logic in the belief?

Of course there is logic in belief but there is also logic in make believe so what is your point?

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Do you think that embracing certain moral teachings is partly embracing the belief? Or do you think it is completly different?

Yes it is similar but if we are going to transcend into the age of enlightenment then we also have to understand that we may be wrong no mater what our ideology or religion may be.

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@reasoning logic,

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I think there is no logic in believing things that can not be proven by statistics or by science.

That most definitaly does not mean that the belief is illogical...That is a subjective thought you have about the belief....

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Because I found logic in what the Therapeutaes taught.

And is that not apart of the belief?

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Of course there is logic in belief but there is also logic in make believe so what is your point?

What is logical about make believe? That is my point...

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Yes it is similar but if we are going to transcend into the age of enlightenment then we also have to understand that we may be wrong no mater what our ideology or religion may be.

And that does not mean that people who have this religion or belief do not constantly balance doubt with faith... 2 Cents

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@John Creasy,

I really don't get why do you need a god for having a meaning in life.
The fun thing about being humans is that we are quite intelligent, we can give and receive love, we can care for each other, have wives, husbands, children and aim to live our lives happily. It is much much more amazing to be here by accident, a product of this awesome universe, and being able to experience it (something most probably true), than to be created by a judgmental god, that follows every one of our actions and punishes us for them. A god that chooses if you go to heaven and hell, that lets us live in pain, suffering, in filth and sin, but don't forget, a god that made everything with you in mind. A god that made you in HIS OWN IMAGE!!! Oh my what a coincidence, the creator of the whole universe looks just like you. You must really be something.
Don't you find all this a bit unlikely?
The universe is huge, there are million of galaxies and billions of stars, to think that god created all of this just with us in mind in arrogant, selfish and childish. Having that said I am not afraid to say that our lives have no real cosmic purpose. It is very likely that if we do not get out of this planet, the moment that we become extinct or this world gets swallowed by the sun no one will remember a place once called earth. If we really seek a real purpose or meaning in this universe "we must find ourselves a worthy goal"
The fact that love and emotion even exists, is much more amazing when you realize that we are some sort of accident of this universe. This "accidental emotion" have much more meaning for me than to you because they are in fact an accident, one of the most beautiful accidents ever

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@thel00ker,

He is not here anymore mate...We go back and forth amongst ourselves...

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@Frank Apisa,

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“I guess I do not guess that I guess gods do not exist?” What does that even mean?

It means I am certain, that I am uncertain Gods do not exist...

Or I am certain Gods exist...

Or one thinks that God do exist...

Cause if one was to say, I believe that I have a belief that I believe gods exist

They are saying, I am certain, that I am correct, and not uncertain, that I am positive gods exist...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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“I guess I do not guess that I guess gods do not exist?” What does that even mean?

It means I am certain, that I am uncertain Gods do not exist...

Or I am certain Gods exist...

Or one thinks that God do exist...

Cause if one was to say, I believe that I have a belief that I believe gods exist

They are saying, I am certain, that I am correct, and not uncertain, that I am positive gods exist...

Lemme take this piece by piece, but before I do, I have to ask: Are you related to Yogi Berra by any chance?

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It means I am certain, that I am uncertain Gods do not exist...

Okay...so you are absolutely positive that you are not sure that gods do not exist. That, of course, means you are uncertain that they do not exist. By extension, that must mean you are also uncertain that they do exist...because if you are certain they exist...you CANNOT be uncertain that they do not exist. If you are certain they exist...then YOU MUST BE certain that they DO NOT "NOT EXIST!" (Double negative intended!)

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Or I am certain Gods exist...

Oh my...well, if you are certain Gods (or a GOD) exist...then there can be no doubt in your mind whatsoever about the question: Are there no gods? If you are certain Gods exist...it makes no sense at all to answer the question, "Are there no gods" with, "I do not know for sure!"

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Or one thinks that God do exist...

Huh?

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Cause if one was to say, I believe that I have a belief that I believe gods exist

They are saying, I am certain, that I am correct, and not uncertain, that I am positive gods exist...

Let's leave this for a bit and go back to my response to the first two parts...and let's not even talk about you specifically.

If a person claims he/she KNOWS FOR CERTAIN that a GOD exists...do you see that it is illogical for that person to say he/she is uncertain that gods do not exist? One position obviates the other.

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@Frank Apisa,

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Okay...so you are absolutely positive that you are not sure that gods do not exist. That, of course, means you are uncertain that they do not exist. By extension, that must mean you are also uncertain that they do exist...because if you are certain they exist...you CANNOT be uncertain that they do not exist. If you are certain they exist...then YOU MUST BE certain that they DO NOT "NOT EXIST!" (Double negative intended!)

It is the same exact thing as them saying they are certain that they think a God or Gods exist...There are no doubts that they have a belief in Gods...

The part about them not being uncertain, is just a reaffirmation that they do not think they are uncertain, but have a belief about it...

I don't mean to confuse you...But I will give you some examples...

If someone says I believe...Then they think they are certain...

If someone says I have a belief that I believe I am certain....Then they think they are certain...

If someone was to say something rediculous like, I believe that I have a belief that I believe that I have a belief that I believe I am certain....It would make no difference at all because it is the same exact thing as them saying they think they are certain...

And I am not even going to try to break that one down....

If you are asking me, is them saying I think I am certain...A contradiction?, Because they are admitting they are not positive about it?....Then I would say that I think you have a valid point...

But when someone has a belief about something, they think they are certain about it...Whether it is true or not...Or whether anyone knows the answer with certainty...Or not...But they do not think they are unsure about their belief...

They are simply saying that they are positive that they have a belief...about Gods...

Nothing more...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Okay...so you are absolutely positive that you are not sure that gods do not exist. That, of course, means you are uncertain that they do not exist. By extension, that must mean you are also uncertain that they do exist...because if you are certain they exist...you CANNOT be uncertain that they do not exist. If you are certain they exist...then YOU MUST BE certain that they DO NOT "NOT EXIST!" (Double negative intended!)

It is the same exact thing as them saying...

Before I read any further...tell me who the hell is "them" in a response to what YOU said about YOURSELF?

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@Frank Apisa,

I do not really feel like doing that Frank, since you did not ask me in a respectful way...

I think you can figure it out...But if you can not...If you ask me in a respectful way, I will explain what I meant...

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@Frank Apisa,

By all means do not read any further if you do not want to do it Frank...

I am not trying to make you do something that you do not want to do...

If you truly want to do it....Ask me in a respectful way what I meant and I will explain it for you...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

damn, it was fun to try

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

SpadeMaster, I understood your point you still believe that religion is responsible for moral behavior and if religion was suddenly to disappear there would be moral chaos. All the evil Christians would be loosed on the world committing all sorts of immoral acts.

When we see someone talking to an imaginary invisible person we judge him insane and lock him away from society yet when we see a church full of people talking to an invisible being we see nothing unusual though both these situations are essentially the same. One is no more valid than the other.

Does religion make people more moral? In 1992 it became public that a Priest named James Porter had abused 200 children. Numerous priests and bishops in 5 dioceses were aware of the child abuse but did nothing. Catholics priests are some of the most rigorously trained Christian clergy and yet all believed that protecting the cult from scandal was more important than protecting the children from a known molester. Is this Christianity keeping the morals in check? Do you think father Porter could have molested 200 children if it weren’t for the church twisting the parents arms and keeping them from reporting to law enforcement. Father Porter would have been reported to authorities by parents if he had been a mechanic, carpenter or other profession. The religious cult made the molestations possible and protected him.

Merry Christmas and never leave your children alone with a man of god.

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@Zardoz,

Interesting observations about how humans perceive psychology in different ways.

From my understanding of human history, religion isn't the moral directive that most people believe it is. Most cultures, no matter what major religion they believe in, have committed atrocities against others - to outsiders as well as in their own culture. Even the same religion with different sects are guilty of slaughtering their "own" people.

The history of the US is no better; look what we have done in other countries - in the name of "security." According to reliable statistics, over 90% of Americans believe in one religion or another.

Tell me it ain't so.

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@cicerone imposter,

And my point to both of you that Zardoz, DOES NOT UNDERSTAND....is that it is probably true that atheists do the same exact things you just can not "prove" that they do because they have no beliefs...Have no place of worship etc...Or anything else where they could be caught doing them....And if they do, you can't pin a belief on them as to why they had done those acts...

But it does not mean it does not happen...

And it does not mean if religion was done away with that these things would simply cease to exist, because they simply would not...

A priest who molests a child is not doing it because he thinks that God would find it pleasing....At least I would have to believe he knows he is doing somthing very f*cked up...Because of morality...But he does it anyways because he has problems...An atheist would do this....And probably think it is F*ucked up to do...but have no reconsiliations about them, Or have no higher reason to actually stop....because they would not even have morality hanging on them to show them that it was wrong, from a higher standpoint, then themselves, and the world they live in...And why...

Does that help you understand my point Zardoz?

How is it really religion doing anything? And not just messed up people? If it is just messed up people, then there will always be people who do messed up things...But with morailty, people can never say that they have no reasons to stop doing them...Without morality people can say that there is no reason to stop doing them...some people do not think like you and I do....And can not control themselves...with morailty, let alone without morality...And that is why morals are there...and why it is bad to remove them...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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@Zardoz,

The morals are not made for people who can keep them...The morals are made for people who have a hard time keeping them....

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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.The morals are made for people who have a hard time keeping them....

I would have thought that morals were good for all of us.

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@reasoning logic,

Mathew 18:12

"If a man has a hundred sheep and one of them wanders away, what will he do? Won't he leave the ninety-nine others on the hills and go out to search for the one that is lost?

New Living Translation 2007

The Bible or moral teachings are for the one person who does not understand....But it would not hurt for everyone to know them or understand them....If that is what you are asking? If people are moral then they do not need to learn or understand morals...Because they already know them...

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