Atheists... Your life is pointless

@spendius,

spendius wrote:

I don't know about S Korea.

Here, the great majority of the population, including atheists, follow out the logic of law and custom that has been bred into them by precept, example and tradition and the significant aspects of the law and custom derive from the Christian religion and thus from God who is regularly asked to bless America and to save our Queen.

The question you were asked, twice now, was how to derive such a body of habits of thought and behavior from science or from evolution.

Man, you're asking me to teach you all of the relevant science in an internet post? Read a book. A different book, I mean. The only way you can derive such a body of habits of thought and behavior from anything other than science and natural selection is to make up a story about it. Or blindly accept the ones that people have already made up.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

I don't remember saying that I don't pry. Wink

Or maybe I did and forgot. As a general rule, I don't go around bothering people about their religious beliefs, if that's what you mean by prying. But as I mentioned elsewhere not long ago, if someone posts their beliefs online in a public forum, they're inviting debate, so it's fair game. Smile

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@spendius,

Well Spendi... They tried to indoctrinate Christianity in me, when I was in school, in the UK... about 50 to 80 years ago... ;~), but found it easier to believe in Alice in wonderland, and it was lot more believable and more fun. I'm sure there are and were, many more millions, who felt the same way ... or who have different Beliefs... supernatural beings or spirits... Witch doctors and the like to believe in, so "they" and I don't "Believe" in your Christian God and I Believe and know that I have many things I don't "believe" and your stupid Christians "believe" we'r none Christians and invent a word so to give you some superior feelings by trying to isolate us from you lot.

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Like I said before, I keep my mind open for new evidence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20695327

The Hubble can see back to when the universe was less than 3% of its current age. Still no sign of any deities or heavens. But there's still that 2~3% gap for theists to try to wedge a god into. Rolling Eyes

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@FBM,

When you decide to challenge theists about their beliefs...In public forums..Do you think it is also fair game for people to ask you about your atheism? Though you do not believe it is a belief? And they may? Or is it unfair for them to do this?

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@FBM,

Why do you think they would ever find a God? If a God exists why would he make himself visible to see if he says that you have to find him thru faith? If he is God is he smart enough to know how to keep himself from being revealed? And if he does not exist will anyone ever find him either?

That fact that people do not understand this...And think they will be able to prove a God does not exist says they do not understand it at all...You can't disprove Gods with science...to believers of God...And if there is no Gods...You will not be able to prove he is not...Cause you are looking for something that is not even there... 2 Cents

You do not have to look into a telescope to know this kind of information...You just have to think about it... Idea

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

...Cause you are looking for something that is not even there...

Your words, not mine. Wink

I didn't say anything about proving there is no god. That's probably impossible. The Hubble is simply expanding the areas that have been searched without finding any such thing as a god or a heaven.

SM, what's the difference between a) something that can't be seen, heard, felt, or detected in any way and b) something that only exists in your imagination?

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http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb192/DinahFyre/61795_10151290027574096_754054420_n.jpg

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@spendius,

I do not know for certain that you exist, Spendius.

And I certainly do not know if there is a GOD...if there are gods...or if there are no gods.

Do you?

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@Frank Apisa,

Winding up the wristwatch again Frank?

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@farmerman,

Just answering a question posed to me, Farmerman.

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@FBM,

I know that those were my words mate...Not sure why you decided to point that out...I said it for benefit of doubt...Or a side of the quadrilemma...Like I told you I explain things from time to time...That is not saying that I agree with it...But it is just a way to include everyone in what I have said...And not try to speak on thier behalf...Or not include everyone in the discussions..

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SM, what's the difference between a) something that can't be seen, heard, felt, or detected in any way and b) something that only exists in your imagination?

The thing that is only in your imagination has plausibility to actually being able to be seen, heard, felt, or detected...by others...Or a higher being...Unless there is a conclusive way someone can prove it is only in your own imaginaton...and not in theirs or everyones, or a God...And know with certainty this is true...And can't be altered...Otherwise it is the same...How could one actually prove this?

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@Frank Apisa,

If you do not know that Spendius exists...And think that the possibility of existence is possible...What would you say that you DO know? Nothing? Or total Uncertainty? Is this fair?

Then you know things you do not know...

Not that you do not know things because no one knows them...

Or to help you understand...

You understand things about yourself...that you currently do not know about yourself...But you already know them...And those thoughts are already there...You just don't fully understand them yet...

Or..

You don't understand your thoughts...Because you do not know things about yourself..because you are certain that you do not know or understand the ways you think...But you already do...And you think that no one else does...as well...but it is not correct...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

I don't see how the burden of proof is on others. If you want others to believe in something that you claim is true, it's up to you to convince them. I don't claim that there either is or isn't a god. Both are hypothetically possible. Since you do have a claim, please convince me.

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@FBM,

Then why does it matter what a telescope can see or can not see?

Were you posting for others to read? What did you think they would say or learn from it?

(What did you think others were going to say to you when you had posted that? You had absolutely no thought about them? Why would you want too or be compelled to do it, then? What and Why does it matter?)

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

(I already explained that above, man. Smile

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@FBM,

So since this telescope has searched out and found nothing...Do you think a god exists, does not? or are unsure? If you can read that and think a god is not, is that really a lack of belief to you? Like I have already asked? Smile

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@FBM,

I think you skipped over a post, SM. I'll re-post it for you. It answers your questions and makes a request:

FBM wrote:

I don't see how the burden of proof is on others. If you want others to believe in something that you claim is true, it's up to you to convince them. I don't claim that there either is or isn't a god. Both are hypothetically possible. Since you do have a claim, please convince me.

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@FBM,

I would say, it is not up to me, or others to convince you, it is up to you, to try to find it, if you want too...If you don't want too, no one is going to make you do it...And you don't have too...Unless this God wants everyone to know he is there one day...As in the revelation...Then no one can deny it...

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@FBM,

How would a believer or God convince you to believe if you did not want to do do it? Then this god or people would be even more evil then atheists already claim they are...And even though doubters convert, it is always up to a person to see themselves for who they are...And want to be somthing else if they want it...If they don't or are content...Then no one can convince them otherwise unless this God choses to do it...

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