Atheists... Your life is pointless

@cicerone imposter,

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Frank, You need to study logic. You're trying to put the burden that god doesn't exist on the basis of feelings and faith - which cannot be proved.

I am not doing anything of the sort. Perhaps it is you who needs to study logic...and perhaps reading.

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Gods have been created by man long before any christian god(s).

So what?

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No matter which god man believes in, they react to
their god with the same emotion and belief.

So what?

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Emotion is not a good judge of right or wrong.

So what?

And what does any of this have to do with the response of mine to which you are replying??????

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@cicerone imposter,

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Also, the burden of proof of something existing is that person's responsibility; not the other way around.

I agree...and I will raise you one.

The burden of proof falls on any person making any assertion...so it is not unreasonable to ask for proof of an assertion being made no matter what it is.

Sometimes the request for proof is obvious...but often it is not.

If a person asserts there is a GOD...or are gods...the burden of proof of that assertion does fall on him/her.

IF A PERSON ASSERTS THERE ARE NO GODS...the burden of proof of that assertion falls on him/her just as seriously.

Try to understand that, ci...or take a course in logic.

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@Frank Apisa,

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IF A PERSON ASSERTS THERE ARE NO GODS...the burden of proof of that assertion falls on him/her just as seriously.

If I were to assert that there is not 2 invisible elves on each side of your head having ear sex with your ears, would I need to show proof of their nonexistance for you to think that the probability is close to zero? or do you think that the burden of proof would need to be established for you to somewhat understand the probability factor?

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@reasoning logic,

You're in Easter Bunny territory again.

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@izzythepush,

If we are going to talk about beliefs, then I think it is only fair that we include characters that are rarely believed in as well.

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@reasoning logic,

No it's not, it's a very childish analogy and is quite meaningless. It does absolutely nothing to advance your argument, in fact it does the exact opposite.

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@izzythepush,

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No it's not, it's a very childish analogy and is quite meaningless

Ok I'll bite. Is this your subjective opinion? Many people have opinions, I have heard many people say that believing in things without evidence is child like it self.

I think that it is a simple illustration that should be considered myself. Why should we give some things more credibility of existing than others when we have no evidence to back them up?

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@reasoning logic,

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If I were to assert that there is not 2 invisible elves on each side of your head having ear sex with your ears, would I need to show proof of their nonexistance for you to think that the probability is close to zero? or do you think that the burden of proof would need to be established for you to somewhat understand the probability factor?

First of all I am not interested in the "probability factor"...and secondly, when a person asserts there are no gods, that person is not asserting that the probability is that there are no gods.

If the person did assert the something about the probability of the existence of gods...that person would have to assume the burden of proof for the establishment of that probability.

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@izzythepush,

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You're in Easter Bunny territory again.

Yup. Interesting that he has abandoned the Easter Bunny and unicorns.

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@Frank Apisa,

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If the person did assert the something about the probability of the existence of gods...that person would have to assume the burden of proof for the establishment of that probability.

Ok so if I were to assert that there are no elves going at it on each side of your head because I see no evidence to support that they are giving you an ear job, Are you suggesting that this lack of evidence should not be taken into consideration to better understand the probability of its none existance?

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

You will just have to proceed using common sense FBM and try to persuade everybody else to follow your admirable example. If they do, in view of your obvious persuasiveness, I think it would be most amusing to watch developments.

Why would I want to try to persuade anyone else to do what I do?

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@reasoning logic,

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Ok so if I were to assert that there are no elves going at it on each side of your head because I see no evidence to support that they are giving you an ear job, Are you suggesting that this lack of evidence should not be taken into consideration to better understand the probability of its none existance?

Actually what I am saying is:

If a person asserts the something about the probability of the existence of gods...that person would have to assume the burden of proof for the establishment of that probability.

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@Frank Apisa,

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[Actually what I am saying is:

If a person asserts the something about the probability of the existence of gods...that person would have to assume the burden of proof for the establishment of that probability

I can agree with that logic but what I am trying to establish is your logical understanding of how assertions works when countering claims such as that with a God or Gods or anything else that I see no evidence to support.

That is why I asked the below question.

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Ok so if I were to assert that there are no elves going at it on each side of your head because I see no evidence to support that they are giving you an ear job, Are you suggesting that this lack of evidence should not be taken into consideration to better understand the probability of its none existance?

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@reasoning logic,

If I were to assert that most of the Universe was made up of 'dark matter,' but there's no real proof that it exists, what would you say to that?

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@izzythepush,

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If I were to assert that most of the Universe was made up of 'dark matter,' but there's no real proof that it exists, what would you say to that?

I would say that if I were an astrophysicist that I might be able to have a better reply than what I do. But from my understanding you are correct in what you are claiming about dark matter because of our understanding of space.
Now this understanding could possibly be proven somewhat wrong in the future but how wrong it may be I do not know.

Now if you were to tell me that you believe this without any information to help support your claim then I would think that your claim should be scrutinized.

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@reasoning logic,

You're assuming that anyone who doesn't believe the same as you is doing that without any information or experiences.

Not all faith is blind faith.

You, however, are firmly conviced that your position is 100% correct, there is no place for any doubt whatsoever, and you ridicule those who don't hold with your interpretation. Your constant referencing of Easter Bunnies shows you're more interested in crowing about how wise you are, and how ignorant others must be.

It's a tactic that various groups have used throughout the centuries, and by continuing that tradition you're not interested in debate, just in mocking others.

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@Frank Apisa,

All of your "so whats" only proves what I have asserted that there are no gods. They are all man's creations and nothing more.

Those are the "so what."

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@izzythepush,

You are talking about science, not gods. Understanding of science means our ability to observe and conclude theories about them. You can't do that about gods.

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@cicerone imposter,

If I assert that there are not 10000 elves flying around mars, and you say you don't know, that's your problem, not mine.

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@izzythepush,

Nobody has claimed there is no room for doubt, but us humans rely on some evidence to assert that something must exist. Nobody tries to prove a negative, because humans are not capable of proving such

Only positive assertions can be proven. Negative assertions are mostly impossible to prove.

Saying I don't know to the assertion that there aren't 10000 elves flying around mars is that person's problem. There's nothing to be proven, and there is no burden on the person saying there aren't 10000 elves flying around mars, because most people understand it's only imaginary. It's not a positive claim.

If I assert there are 10000 elves flying around mars, the burden of proof falls on me, and I must provide evidence for such a claim.

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