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Atheists... Your life is pointless

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 02:19 pm
@spendius,
You admit to knowing about evolution, but also fail to understand the relationships between the findings of Darwin and other scientists on evolution.

You are a dumbkoff!
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 04:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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You admit to knowing about evolution, but also fail to understand the relationships between the findings of Darwin and other scientists on evolution.


Why don't you explain what you mean instead of trotting out such unmitigated drivel for the n-thousandth time to no effect. And not just to me by any means.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 04:18 pm
@izzythepush,
You would have to live deep in the south were I live to know how most Christians are here.
I am glad that you have better ones there. When I was growing up I was told that I was going to be set on fire {burn in hell} when I died if I do not think like them.

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Most of us know Iraq was all about oil and America's status in the Middle East, RL chooses to make it about God. You can't debate with fanatics.


That is not common knowledge here.

I have to be careful with talk like that here, many people think I might be a terrorist with language like that.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 04:34 pm
@spendius,
The meaning is self-explanatory to the majority of people who communicate in English.
panzade
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 05:33 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Kopf C.I.
Kopf!

My grandma would threaten to give me a "Klop um Kopf"
A knock on the head.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 05:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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The meaning is self-explanatory to the majority of people who communicate in English.


When are you going to answer the question? What is a job? Is doing a poodle's paw nails a job. Is flying a rare flower from the Himalayas to grace the dining room of a lady who wishes to display the most expensive bloom a job.

Those are psychological treatments. There are millions of "jobs" dedicated to such things. Are they jobs from an economic point of view?

Your whole position relies on insulting people and insulting the intelligence of any witnesses.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2012 07:01 pm
@spendius,
Look it up in the dictionary; I can't improve on that!
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Fri 16 Mar, 2012 10:58 am
@Krumple,
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There are just WAY too many stars and planets in the universe even in our galaxy to assume that earth is the ONLY place life has arisen. I am certain one day we will discover life on another planet other than earth. It might not be within my life time, I hope that it will but more than likely won't. The odds are just too great to say earth is the only place were life exists in the entire universe.

This idea that life could exist on other planets poses a problem for theists. Especially for christians. If there were intelligent life on other planets then why would a god single out earth to send itself to? Would every intelligent life civilization in the universe get it's own jesus? If that were the case what is so bad about explaining that other life exists in the universe?

No to their own Jesus...

What if aliens are demonic?


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See your response here makes me feel shame for humanity. What if aliens showed up tomorrow but all the christians of the world hold this same view as you. That they are in some way evil or demons. This is such a sad out look and it could provoke something that is unnecessary. There will be witch burnings again but this time it will be a alien life form. How sad of a day and makes me not want them to ever reveal themselves until christianity is put into check.

that is why it is never explained...and is part of the final battle, where the devil uses his army to wage war against us?? therefor, humans actually unite...and defeat them...not one human is lost...they are cast down...Jesus is a man, and only one Jesus, other life exists...But humans are above them all...

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If you honestly believe what you say here, then I feel up most pity for humanity and the people who think like this. It is scary to think you have reasoned this out to be a rational explanation and necessary out come.

Here is your problem(s)

If aliens exist...(which I believe so) Then if they come here to help us...Or are for a better human race and unity as one I am ALL FOR THEM...and would embrace them 100%...IF we have stories of them mutating calf's, which I believe is them...Stories of them abducting women, and putting children in their wombs...Then there is NO REASON to believe they care about us...are not evil...and have demonic deceptions written all over their faces...Why don't they just come out, and tell us rather than mutating calf's (if they are) why? And explain what the good is of putting a child in a womb?? When they explain these things, I will listen...If they troll around in secrecy, and do these things, there is NO reason to believe they actually care about us, or are going to help us...But rather are wicked...And if you disagree with all the accounts above...Who do you think is doing those things?? And Why would women say they were abducted by the 100 thousands of accounts if not real? Or people being operated on and being terrified?? (I can not begin to tell you about the dozen or so dreams I have had, where they have tried to insert needles 2 feet long in my ear to go into my brain and insert atoms...And God defeating them, stopping them, and sending them away etc...) If they are superior, then they easily know what would frighten us, and what would be a good way to reveal themselves, so that we embrace them, right?? If not, what do you believe those accounts are?? So I believe they are real, and are demonic, till they provide how they are not, I will not believe it, nor am I shameful for saying it...There actions depict deceptions, and some humans can see it...Some humans will embrace them as God(s) and be fooled...What gets me all in a riff, is you can assert yourself to saying aliens are real...Just on basis, and no actual proof, but can not fathom a god being real on the same principal in effect...It destroys all that **** you said about gremlins etc, apposed to stigmata...stigmata points the finger toward Christ, there is NO PROOF at all of a gremlin ever being real....So it is the same exact principal as the aliens existing thing...But when you realize this, I foresee, you will look for a way to try to discredit this, and tell me how a God is bullshit, which is based on YOUR tastes, and nothing at all with what is good, better, or best for all...
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Fri 16 Mar, 2012 01:25 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Hey Frank, Do you watch the PGA tour? Just got a fantasy golf team...I will tell you who I have, when you respond...
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 16 Mar, 2012 01:28 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
I occasionally watch...but only very, very occasionally. These days I only watch when Tiger is playing...and as soon as he is out of it, I turn to something else.

I love the game...and play damn near every day. But watching it can be torture.

I will enjoy hearing about your fantasy team...although I do not even know how it works. I've never even had a fantasy football team...and I am a football nut.

f.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Fri 16 Mar, 2012 02:39 pm
@Frank Apisa,
It is simple...First rather than getting a team, like the cowboys, and getting every player on that team...If you were to draft a football team...You could draft, with your pick, any player that is left, who has not been drafted yet...any 1 quarter back you want...3 wide receivers, 2 running backs, 1 Tight end, 1 kicker, and one team defense...and you accumulate stats on a week to week basis...head to head against another team...Or you could do a points only league, Where total points wins it all...

It all depends on what your commissioner of your league sets the rules as, but those are the most basic ones...

So basically, you can draft any player from any team, to build what you think is the best team...So I can have Arron Rodgers as Quarterback...Roddy White as a wide...and if other guys are gone...I may have to take a low pick some where else...So I may get a receiver like Stevie Johnson etc...and then you get any 2 running backs you want, so I could have Adrian Peterson, If your lucky to be near the top...or someone like Jamal Charles as one, and Brandon Jacobs as my other...

So basically, you try to build the best team you think you can in your draft...drafts usually go from 1-10, then next round 10-1...till the draft is done...So it isn't that bad being near the front or back...(I think) And with your picks, you fill up the roster with the players you want in your pick...if they are still there...Once a player is drafted, he is gone...You can only acquire him, through someone dropping him, and you picking him up off of waivers, or free agent...or you can work out a trade to try to get him....You also draft extra guys at extra positions, and you put them in when you want, or if another gets hurt or something like that...you do not get any points for benched players...

So a typical football league would be ten teams in it...each team will have 1 Quarterback, 3 wide outs, 2 running backs, 1 Tight end, 1 Kicker, 1 team defense...and about 6 bench spots...which you can get another qb, 2 wide outs, 1 running, a kicker if you want a back up, or another defense if you want another back up as well...So a good strategy would be to grab another qb late, for the bye week, and 1 wide or 2 wide outs, and 1 running back, You can get a tight end off of waivers, and you can get another defense, and kicker when your player(s) is/are on the bye week....

Anyways, my golf team is...Luke Donald, -7, 3rd right now, bench Rory Sabintini...Second group, Retif, -4...20th place right now, Justin Rose 12th -5, ...bench... Brandt Snedeker -4, Ernie Els -2...last group... Padraig Harrington 1st place -10, and bench Vijah -3

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gruffallo
 
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Reply Sun 18 Mar, 2012 01:31 pm
@John Creasy,
Seriously, that is the opinion of a giant tool. Just because God is absent, you think right and wrong are too? Do you think God created right and wrong, or humans? The answer is us dipshit. Just like we attributed certain neurons firing to 'love', we created everything that matters to us around ourselves. Just because I don't believe some omnipotent asshole is going to send me to eternal oblivion for being mean to someone, doesn't mean I'm going to be mean to that person for the sheer hell of it. Unless that person is you, because that bible-bashing, God-bothering mentality of yours is seriously out of whack. Also, one of the great things about being an Atheist is that we genuinely have no idea what happens after we die, and don't push our unproven and frankly childish views onto others. So, to sum up, **** YOU. Your life is pointless.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 18 Mar, 2012 01:33 pm
@gruffallo,
Couldn't have stated it better myself! Thumbs up. Mr. Green
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 18 Mar, 2012 02:47 pm
@gruffallo,
Of course humans create right and wrong. That's the problem. It's different in different places. Which is to say there is no right and wrong at all and there is only legal and illegal.

The world is, and has been, full of different rights and wrongs. How do you differentiate between them without arriving at might being the only right?

There is no point in resisting being mean to people if you want to be mean to them except fear of reciprocal meanness. Making a virtue out of a necessity is not a virtue at all. It's a strategy which varies depending upon being quicker on the draw, being bigger and fitter, or having more power. You can only not be mean to people when wanting to be out of self interest which implies you will be mean to them if that is in your interest. You have a choice and you grant that same choice to everybody else.

And there is no chance, by your own argument, of one person's life being pointless unless everybody's life is pointless.

We have no way of discovering right and wrong without a supernatural source of wisdom. And without discovering what they are there is no chance of the USA being what it is. The meanest would be forever in power. As Orwell said "a boot stamping on your face for ever and ever". The Christian religion having saved you from that is the only reason you can come on here and say those "frankly childish" things.
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Anomie
 
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Reply Sun 18 Mar, 2012 04:04 pm
@gruffallo,
If there are objective moral values, love must have objective values.

You appear to be arguing objective moral values naturalistically, such as neurological wiring that suggests this 'love' interpretation, though this itself may in fact be normative/moralistic, being that humans are neurologically diverse, the entire spectrum (neuro-diversity) must be satisfied, this also includes any pathological suggestion, be it natural or social.

Can you define the required conditions of this 'love'?

Also, do other organsisms satisfy this "right and wrong", is this "right and wrong" background independent, and if 'love' suggests morality, do other organisms 'love'?

Finally, how can this immaterial construct be empirically investigated, is objective moral values an ad hoc hypothesis, RELATIVE to god?

Furthermore, if you do in fact have an objective love satisfied, the arguement remains a naturalistic assumption/fallacy.

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Humans love, love entails specific actions, therefore objective moral values exist.

This is appealing to emotion, do empirical facts speak for themselves, are you CERTAIN it is not your biased cognitive faculties that modal this erroneous inferrence?

Nomology is not necessarily true (logically), the scentific method acknowledges physical quantity, this is empirically defined, however, this does not suggest why killing is wrong, the implications are of logical possibilities,.

If killing was in fact objectively wrong, the metaphysics (i.e. ontology of killing) would be self refuting.

God may be necessary for objective moral values, the concept is regulatory, it overrides logic (suggesting objective morality), being applications of non actualising properties, such as omniscience.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 18 Mar, 2012 04:08 pm
@Anomie,
You wrote,
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love must have objective values.


Actually, love in all its meaning and interpretation are 'subjective.' How any one person perceives love has many variables that differs with each person. Some people kill their loved ones, because they "love" them.
Anomie
 
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Reply Sun 18 Mar, 2012 04:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I most certainly agree, however I am pressuposing "right and wrong" are objective.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 18 Mar, 2012 04:31 pm
@Anomie,
Not really; that's the reason why right and wrong in different cultures differ. What can be determined right in one culture can be wrong in another.
Anomie
 
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Reply Sun 18 Mar, 2012 04:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You misundrstand.

To clarify, gruffallo suggests that there are objective moral values, and God is not required.

Just as you, I disagree that there are objective moral values.

Personally, I would argue that morality is meta-ethically, a posterioristic, non cognitive, this is similar to the concept of relativism.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 18 Mar, 2012 04:39 pm
@Anomie,
Now, we're getting some place. Mr. Green
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