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homosexuality is not 'unnatural'

 
 
JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 05:24 pm
Every action that is compelled by a drive is by definition "natural." The problem is that humans can sexually "cathect" to a wide range of (sex) objects, and this horrifies people with a limited view of "the possible within nature."
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 06:25 pm
JLNobody wrote:
Every action that is compelled by a drive is by definition "natural." The problem is that humans can sexually "cathect" to a wide range of (sex) objects, and this horrifies people with a limited view of "the possible within nature."

May be natural by definition, but what about the drive to take drugs? To drink? To cut oneself? To harm others? Would you consider these "drives" natural?
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 08:22 pm
Of course, undesireable but natural, like earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, and cancer.
Certainly not superntural.
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John Creasy
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 08:26 pm
Bella Dea wrote:
John Creasy wrote:


Ah yes, a question directed at the almighty bella must be crying. And you convienently left out your arrogant, smartass remarks in response to my alleged "whining." And all this coming from a broad who thinks we should worship dicks???!!! Shocked


Actually, I'd consider it stalling. Or grasping straws. My "arrogant, smartass" remarks at least had some substance to them instead of accusatory remarks and whining. (Yes, I said it again.)

As for this question, where is it? What is it? I've thoroughly answered every question directed at me. Please repost your question and if after actually attempting to read my explanatory posts, if you've somehow missed the answer, I will happily repost it.


fair enough. I suppose when you said to "prove it" I took this too literally. I assume you simply meant to back up my argument with facts as clearly neither one of us can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt what we are stating.

I am a little disturbed by your implication that anal sex is normal. I see this as a perversion. That doesn't make it evil, I just think that certain body parts are intended for specific things. Is it your opinion that we are essentially all bisexual?? I definitely have issues with this, as the thought of having sex with another man is very disgusting to me. I don't mean that in a demeaning way to anyone, but that's just how I feel.

BTW, are you a pagan?? What are your beliefs?
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 09:09 pm
Momma, we must be careful not to equate "natural" with "desireable". This is what health food salespersons do; they argue that since their products are "natural" they are, ipso factor, good. Toadstools are natural yet deadly.
Homosexual anal sex is "disgusting" to John Creasy, and, as such, he considers it unnatural. Moral repulsion has nothing to do with the objective nature of an act, only with what it symbolically represents to the repulsed.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 09:13 pm
Sorry JL, just can't agree with you on that it having nothing to do with the objective nature of the act.
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John Creasy
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 09:36 pm
JLNobody wrote:
Homosexual anal sex is "disgusting" to John Creasy, and, as such, he considers it unnatural. Moral repulsion has nothing to do with the objective nature of an act, only with what it symbolically represents to the repulsed.


Well that includes heterosexual anal sex as well. When you think of what comes out of that area, I don't see how anyone could view that practice as healthy. It's more of physical rather than moral repulsion. I just strongly believe that that body part is not intended for that purpose.
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flushd
 
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Reply Fri 18 Nov, 2005 09:54 pm
I once again find myself nodding to JL's comments.

The nice thing about anal sex is that we each get to decide if we want to take part in it. Same with any homosexual activity.
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Questioner
 
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Reply Sat 19 Nov, 2005 02:19 pm
flushd wrote:
I once again find myself nodding to JL's comments.

The nice thing about anal sex is that we each get to decide if we want to take part in it. Same with any homosexual activity.


Exactly. We get to choose whether we do it or not. It's not something that we must do in order to fulfill some innate genetic influence which forces our hand.

This is more or less what i've been trying to explain.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sat 19 Nov, 2005 04:50 pm
Flushd: "The nice thing about anal sex is that we each get to decide if we want to take part in it. Same with any homosexual activity." And the same applies to herterosexual acts. By the way, anal sex is performed heterosexually as well.
And our sexual drives seem to exhibit a certain degree of plasticity. They can "deviate" in terms of attraction to all kinds of "objects."
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flushd
 
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Reply Sat 19 Nov, 2005 05:08 pm
http://biflag.com/images/activism/3_cocks.gif :wink:
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John Creasy
 
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Reply Sat 19 Nov, 2005 07:19 pm
eeewwww
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the prince
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 02:29 am
John Creasy wrote:

Well that includes heterosexual anal sex as well. When you think of what comes out of that area, I don't see how anyone could view that practice as healthy. It's more of physical rather than moral repulsion. I just strongly believe that that body part is not intended for that purpose.


Errrr...ummmm...what comes out of a man's penis and a woman's vagina cannot really be classified as "manna from heaven"....
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 07:54 am
John Creasy wrote:
Bella Dea wrote:
John Creasy wrote:


Ah yes, a question directed at the almighty bella must be crying. And you convienently left out your arrogant, smartass remarks in response to my alleged "whining." And all this coming from a broad who thinks we should worship dicks???!!! Shocked


Actually, I'd consider it stalling. Or grasping straws. My "arrogant, smartass" remarks at least had some substance to them instead of accusatory remarks and whining. (Yes, I said it again.)

As for this question, where is it? What is it? I've thoroughly answered every question directed at me. Please repost your question and if after actually attempting to read my explanatory posts, if you've somehow missed the answer, I will happily repost it.


fair enough. I suppose when you said to "prove it" I took this too literally. I assume you simply meant to back up my argument with facts as clearly neither one of us can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt what we are stating.

I am a little disturbed by your implication that anal sex is normal. I see this as a perversion. That doesn't make it evil, I just think that certain body parts are intended for specific things. Is it your opinion that we are essentially all bisexual?? I definitely have issues with this, as the thought of having sex with another man is very disgusting to me. I don't mean that in a demeaning way to anyone, but that's just how I feel.

BTW, are you a pagan?? What are your beliefs?


Thank you John, for responding in a nice and civil way. Now, we can have a discussion.

I think anything two consenting adults do in the bedroom is normal. There is no real definition of normal, except the one we set for ourselves. So if anal sex is the norm for you, it's normal for you to engage in it.

I think that many people are bi-curious, meaning we have thoughts, no matter how brief, about members of the same sex. I think all people can appreciate the beauty and sexuality of a man or a woman, regardless of gender. Some people just won't admit it.

And it's ok for you to think it's disgusting. It's your right. There are probably some things in your sex life that someone, somewhere thinks is disgusting. And that's ok too. It only matters to the people involved what they think of the act.

I am not a pagan and I would consider myself a cross between a Hindu and a Christian. I believe in reincarnation and karma (Hindu part) but also believe there is only one God. Since I don't think that homosexuals make the choice to "disobey" God or be a homosexual, I don't think that they will be punished. Now, those who believe it's a choice, often believe that they will be punished. I don't think that they are expected to feel one way inside and be another way outside (gay inside without acting out) and they will not be punished for being gay outwardly. Some will bring up pedophilia to try and argue my point but there is a distinct difference between homosexuality and pedophilia: consent. A child cannot consent to sex. They don't have the mental capacity to do so therefor the act is rape and not ok.

I am curious John, what religion do you practice, if any?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 07:57 am
He's a devotee of Onanism . . . he can't git him a normal woman (nor even an abnormal one), and the blow-up dolls don't excite him no more . . .
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Louise R Heller
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 05:34 pm
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John Creasy wrote:

Well that includes heterosexual anal sex as well. When you think of what comes out of that area, I don't see how anyone could view that practice as healthy. It's more of physical rather than moral repulsion. I just strongly believe that that body part is not intended for that purpose.


Errrr...ummmm...what comes out of a man's penis and a woman's vagina cannot really be classified as "manna from heaven"....
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I'm with John Creasy, it's disgusting.... And the other person (prince) trying to explain by analogy (grossed me out completely) with what, oral sex??

I don't know where those "blow-up dolls" were mentioned but they're not half as disgusting as the colostomy bags, sorry!!
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John Creasy
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 06:17 pm
Bella Dea wrote:
John Creasy wrote:
Bella Dea wrote:
John Creasy wrote:

I am curious John, what religion do you practice, if any?


I was born and raised Catholic. I went through a period in my teens and early twenties of what I suppose you could call agnostic. Currently I am still searching for the truth. I believe in God (even though I have doubts sometimes) and I still go to church occasionally. I don't really believe all of the Bible, but I don't necessarily dismiss it either if that makes any sense. I'm interested in all religions and I'm always looking for spirituality. I get most of my spirituality from my 12 step program which I've been arguing about on the other thread. This is where I'm at right now, but I'm a work in progress. BTW, this is much nicer and civil this way. :wink:
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 06:45 pm
John Creasy, since you find homosexual sex acts repulsive, it would be "eeeewwww." But don't you think that for homosexuals who enjoy it, it is not eeeewww? The same applies to the many possibilities in heterosexual sex. Repulsiveness and deliciousness are in the eye of the beholder.
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John Creasy
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 08:24 pm
JLNobody wrote:
John Creasy, since you find homosexual sex acts repulsive, it would be "eeeewwww." But don't you think that for homosexuals who enjoy it, it is not eeeewww? The same applies to the many possibilities in heterosexual sex. Repulsiveness and deliciousness are in the eye of the beholder.


I guess so. To each his own. If that's what they enjoy, then who am I to question it??? But I still can't help but think that there is something inherently unnatural about it. By no means am I the final word on right and wrong though.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2005 09:58 pm
JC, that's reasonable. But consider this. We're both straight, but you find homosexual love-making unnatural (repulsive?) and I don't. Do you see any significance in that beyond a purely theoretical difference?
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