It would seem that if it is Nature's "mistake", it is still natural. A Supernature's mistake would be un (or extra) natural.
To me the very idea of nature--since it requires for its "meaning", the concept of the non-existent supernature--is problematical. There is simply what is (as opposed to what "isn't"). If you want to bifurcate "reality" into natural and supernatural (or is and isn't) that's your privilege, but, while dualism in general is necessary for the human mind, it also it generates unnecessary problems. This is an instance of that.
I agree JL.
Why make things more complicated than they need to be?
I think the issue of whether or not homosexuality is natural or unnatural is a less important question than whether or not it is immoral.
Outside of the prohibitions against homosexuality from most of the world's religious cults, and the resulting fear and prejudice instilled by them in some heterosexuals, I am unaware of any inherent evil.
Perhaps someone would care to present a case demonstrating the moral problem that does not involve God's alleged position on the issue. Because unless this case can be made, the issue of whether or not homosexuality is the result of nature or environment is somewhat beside the point. Natural or not, unless harm can be clearly demonstrated, it is not a fit subject for the legal and cultural suppression which has occurred throughout history and continues today.
Greyfan I agree. And since no harm can be demonstrated, I consider it no problem. From the Prince's perspective, homosexuality is one of Nature's blessing. More power to him.
Greyfan, I'm quite certain that morality is man's creation, not some God's. Indeed, God is also man's creation. We must consider, as Nietzsche points out, that morality--like the grammar that deludes us into thinking dualistically--is the creation of a mankind in a distant and primitive past when s/he was supremely ignorant. We MUST comply with our culture's rules (in order to avoid shame and punishment), but in our private and philosophical moments we should be cognizant of the artificial (i.e., cultural) nature of morality, not a God-given reality.
we can't say it's natural but we cannot judge homosexuals and question their morale I think...that's their and this is our way of living......
JLNobody wrote:homosexuality is one of Nature's blessing. More power to him.
Blessing??? I don't see how that could be considered a blessing. More like nature's curse.
JLNobody wrote:Indeed, God is also man's creation. We must consider, as Nietzsche points out, that morality--like the grammar that deludes us into thinking dualistically--is the creation of a mankind in a distant and primitive past when s/he was supremely ignorant.
Congratulations, this is a miracle. You are the one person in the history of the world to "know" this for sure. It's such a privilege to talk to you.
kosmos-SErbia wrote:we can't say it's natural...
But... why not? It is natural. Sexuality is determined to a large extent by your genes. Natural.
I have a slightly off-topic question for those people who believe homosexuality to be unnatural/immoral/ungenetic.... what do you propose we do with the millions of non-heterosexuals in the world?
Careful, Littlek.Creasy will consider it a privilege to talk to you--after he distorts your message by quoting only part of it.
JL - good point, but I'm still curious.
littlek wrote:I have a slightly off-topic question for those people who believe homosexuality to be unnatural/immoral/ungenetic.... what do you propose we do with the millions of non-heterosexuals in the world?
to kill them.
jus' kidding.let them live.but we have to try to make it extinct.
How do you think that extiction could happen?
If there is a gene for bigotry, eugenics might be considered as a solution for the elimination of bigots.
I still think that logo looks like a Pride logo.
Kosmos' avatar? Funny that!
littlek wrote:I have a slightly off-topic question for those people who believe homosexuality to be unnatural/immoral/ungenetic.... what do you propose we do with the millions of non-heterosexuals in the world?
Are you are implying that anyone that believes homosexuality to be unnatural, desires something be "done" with homosexuals?
I don't think anything should be done with anybody. People should be free to live their lives as they wish as long as it doesn't harm anybody.
And things like gay marriage harm people how?
For me, it's not the person I have problems with. It is the act itself. I am a Christian and I believe homosexuality is a sin in God's eyes.
But, and I mean this so sincerely, IT DOES NOT MEAN I SHOULD HATE THAT PERSON! It does not mean that I treat that person with any less respect I would give anyone. Christians are not to judge one another. That is God's authority alone.
