homosexuality is not 'unnatural'

twin_peaks_nikki wrote:

Sturgis wrote:

Now back to you Nikki, why would you say John Creasy is a closet case. He feels towards sex with men in much a similar way as to my thoughts about sex with women.

No he doesn't. I am basing my opinion on the sum of his posts here not just this one stance. He has a problem with transsexual woman. That is a strong indication that he has doubts about his own gender/orientation.

You are truly a character twin peaks. I don't know what else to say.

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twin_peaks_nikki wrote:

I am not so sure that you are even gay. I have had a strong suspicion all along that you are a parody.

If I am not gay then I sure have been with a lot of men for no reason other than their pleasure...and strangely enough, mine as well.

Sorry to break it to you, but I am a homosexual from the word go. No urge to be with a lady in the sexual way, not to kiss her or to hold her close. I sense what this is truly about Nikki is that you want me and unless you are a beefy middle aged man, it isn't going to happen.

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JLNobody wrote:

Thanks, Louise, and happy thanksgiving to you and to any abnormal children you may have parented.

I am sure that all the children he parented are quite normal.

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John Creasy wrote:

I would have killed the dude that pretended to be a chick. That's some treacherous sh!t.

Dude, you dead gave yourself away with this one.

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JLNobody wrote:

Sorry, John. It WAS a beautiful movie. I hope the subtlties that made up its beauty can get past the rigidity of your prejudicial concepts. Our greatest disease is hardening of the categories.

And here I thought it was hardening of the arteries. Very Happy

I didn't see the movie, but if some guy pretending to be a chick, tried to seduce me, I would be none too happy about it.

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twin_peaks_nikki wrote:

John Creasy wrote:
I would have killed the dude that pretended to be a chick. That's some treacherous sh!t.

Dude, you dead gave yourself away with this one.

How exactly is that?

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I would certainly not "kill" such a dude. I would politely decline his offer, if he offered and thank him for the compliment. That's all. No problem

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I once killed a man just to see him die.

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John Creasy wrote:

... if some guy pretending to be a chick, tried to seduce me, I would be none too happy about it.

As a paratrooper once explained to me, "Jumping out of a perfectly good airplane may be an unnatural act...but sometimes unnatural acts can be a lot of fun".

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Yeah, I heard about that, Dys. Just keep your arse away from me!

Acquiunk. Jumping out of a plane may be recreational; falling out of a plane is unfortunate--but both are natural.
And we KNOW that going DOWN is natural (an expression of the "law" of gravity). Falling UP might be considered "unnatural". But all is natural/nature, that is not likely to happen.

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Sturgis wrote:

twin_peaks_nikki wrote:

I am not so sure that you are even gay. I have had a strong suspicion all along that you are a parody.

If I am not gay then I sure have been with a lot of men for no reason other than their pleasure...and strangely enough, mine as well.

Sorry to break it to you, but I am a homosexual from the word go. No urge to be with a lady in the sexual way, not to kiss her or to hold her close. I sense what this is truly about Nikki is that you want me and unless you are a beefy middle aged man, it isn't going to happen.

Trying to follow here......

I looked up "transgendered woman" (this being Nikki's description of herself) I now got a question for Sturgis:

What if Nikki really WAS a "beefy middle aged man" prior to becoming a "transgendered woman"? If you were interested in him before this transformation, would you drop him after it??

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JLN there is no longer any such creature as "gravity" it has been re-named "creative falling"

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yeah, by all means stay away from me! At least that's better than "the earth sucks."

BTW, in my last thread I meant to say "SINCE all is nature--that there is only nature and only THIS life--other lives and extra-natural phenomena do not exist.

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Louise_R_Heller wrote:

Trying to follow here......

I looked up "transgendered woman" (this being Nikki's description of herself) I now got a question for Sturgis:

What if Nikki really WAS a "beefy middle aged man" prior to becoming a "transgendered woman"? If you were interested in him before this transformation, would you drop him after it??

For the sexual purposes, and any other physical intimacy...kissing, caressing...I would have to end the relationship. I would still have caring feelings for the person who had once been but to me once the sexual orientation has been changed from male to female I am not going to be interested. I can state this in a very clear and honest way as I do know of a person who is transgendered. As a male he was good looking, charming and I occasionally entertained the idea of a relationship. Fast forward about 15 years and he started the transgendering process. The interest left. About 4 years later the process was completed, the genitals had been altered, breast implants were in place, hormones were injected, etc. etc. and my sexual interest was gone. I still like the person and as a woman she is still charming and a delight to be around and I give her a hug when I see her. No interest though in anything beyond that, so if Nikki had been a beefy male, the answer is NO, I would not be interested in a relationship after a sex change. If the person is/was in the early phases of transgendering (clothing, hormones, etc.) I would also have no interest. The men I have interest in are masculine, they do not wear womens clothing (at least I don't think they do). These facts are also more proof to me of my sexuality being 100% homosexual without even the twinges of heterosexuality trying to creep in.

So, the final answer is that if Nikki had been a beefy male before, and I had had an interest or even a relationship of the sexual nature with Nikki as a male, it would have ended at the time when the transgendering began. This is not to say that any friendship would end because clearly the heart and soul of Nikki has not changed so why would a friendship.

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Thank you Sturgis, that was very clear!!

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You would actually have to be willing to watch the movie before you could possibly understand why & how Adele thought that he (Stephen Rea) knew already (all about her, er him actually). Forest Whitaker was the English soldier, and was her (his) lover. Since Stephen Rea knew of her only from the English soldier AND they never got around to a more complete discussion about Adele's transvestite status ...
there was no way that Rea ( one of the IRA fellows, who was really
not cut out for all the brutality and all what was demanded of an IRA soldier) could have known. The bartender tried to tell him, being uncertain if Rea knew about Adele, but was interrupted, so Rea found out on his own and then vomited profusely. To find this situation (it was only in a movie for heaven's sake) to be SO horrifying is a definitive over-reaction and, as such is most likely based on one's loudly proclaimed & overt homophobia ( latent homosexual tendencies tend to hide behind such overtly reactive & vicious homophobia, don't they?)

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babsatamelia wrote:

( latent homosexual tendencies tend to hide behind such overtly reactive & vicious homophobia, don't they?)

Not necessarily. Some people are simple culturally very conservative and find anything off the social norm to be morally offensive. This itself may be a problem but it does not mean a homosexual tendency is being denied.

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Sturgis wrote:

He feels towards sex with men in much a similar way as to my thoughts about sex with women. Am I now to be considered a closet-heterosexual?

Yes you freak.

:wink:

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But still I manage to be a cute Shocked

and cuddly Shocked

and some would say sexy Shocked

freak

.

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Sturgis, are you a bear freak?

<I just read New York Metro and I know all about bears and cubs now Cool

ha! I still have half a clue>

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homosexuality is not 'unnatural'

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