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Root canal fillings causing health problems...quackery?

 
 
dlowan
 
Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 07:21 am
I have just been exposed to a person who believes fervently that root canal fillings can cause all kinds of health problems, via pockets of bacteria from the tooth migrating to other parts of the body.


I can find only one source for this stuff on the net, a very fervent retired dental specialist (in root canal fillings!) who has written a book, which also quotes a very early study on the subject.



Anyone aware of any real research into this alleged problem, and its results?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 08:17 am
I mentioned on Bella's thread recently that I found out a few years ago that there are a whole lotta tooth quacks out there. (Including the first dentist we saw, who evidently made a practice of looking at teeth, saying, "That's fine" [whether it was or not], and collecting his bill. Was disbarred/ whatever the heck they do to bad dentists within a year.)

Anyway, from that period of copious research, that sounds off to me, but I'll look around a bit and see what I can find.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 08:20 am
I think that there is a danger of heart related problems that can result from not treating an infection in a tooth (proof in that people with heart trouble need to be dosed with antibiotics before dental work) but the filling itself? I don't think so. The reason that they get infected and are so hard to clear up is that there is less blood flow to that area so it takes longer to heal. But this is just what I've been told so.....who knows.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 08:26 am
Thanks guys.


Interesting Soz, I will look forward.



This whole damn tooth thing is a pain.


You know, the amalgam carry on etc.



Heehee, I was testing this guy out for a possible date, and was attracted by his brains and humour, but very concerned about his being obsessed with this type of health stuff, and he is, So, no go,

But, there is evidence of gum infection causing all sorts of problems, and this now seems well accepted, so this didn't sound entirely loony to me.

And I have a nasty, grumbling root canal tooth which I KNOW was horribly infected for a long, long time. It is supposed to be clear now, but I dunno.


I half want the damn thing out anyway. It keeps hurting.

Grrrrrrrr....



But, of course, these people say it has to be removed in a special way....heehee
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 08:30 am
Alternative cancer doctor, Hulda Clark, is strongly against root canals, as they serve as breeding grounds for bacteria.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 08:35 am
First thing I found:

Quote:


References:

http://www.aae.org/patients/mythsrootcanal/references.htm

Cite:

http://www.aae.org/patients/mythsrootcanal/
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 08:36 am
Here's stuff about retreatment:

http://www.aae.org/patients/faqs/retxsum.htm
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 08:38 am
Wow, thanks Soz!!!


Any research evidence for your source's beliefs, Edgar?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 08:42 am
'Twas an interesting argument. I think the poor fella felt he had been put through the wringer......

You know the thing: Modern medicine causes all these diseases, etc.

"Then how come we are living longer, healthier lives?"


It is not that I do not think traditional medicine has a lot to offer, it is just as soon as I hear the Manichean stuff coming out, you know, western medicine as the devil, my eyes glaze over...


Am I scary?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 08:47 am
Does the pope defecate in the woods?

I absolutely adore sozlet's ENT because he has this great and rare combination of having a scientific/ medical background with a holistic twist. I do agree that the medical profession is too eager to jump in and FIX, NOW, and that there are some traditional/ commonsensical ways of healing that fall by the wayside. I also think that the above assumes that the medicine is practiced effectively, and I know a lot of mistakes are made by medical professionals, too.

At the same time, I'm unwilling to throw the baby out with the bathwater, and the baby is that there are a whole lot of good, effective medicine and medical techniques out there.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 08:51 am
I agree with edgar for the reason i stated: infections there are hard to clear up. I have had two root canals and both took months and 2 or 3 bouts with antibiotics to clear up. I am hoping the one I was just treating is finally healed.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 08:54 am
I haven't read Clark's books in several years. I don't know what evidence she uses.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 08:56 am
"Does the pope defecate in the woods?"

I'm not sure.


AM I scary?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 09:03 am
Yes!

Not to me, but I'm almost as scary.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 09:06 am
ALMOST?????




Thanks Edgar and Bella.







DOES the Pope **** in the woods?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 09:07 am
I'm trying to find scholarly papers which involves things like finding out what "Periapical radiolucencies" means (seems to mean when an x-ray can see through something near the root), but preliminary indications seem to be that, if you've had a root canal, it can get infected, and infections are never good for your body. But I haven't found how often that happens/ whether the risk is high. (Looking.)

My second linked post last page says what to do if there is an infection in/ under the filling. ("Retreatment.")
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 09:10 am
Grrrr.

I've BEEN re treated.


The first damn dentist missed a whole root!


20 years I had an infection. It hurt. Would she believe me?


Finally I wen in and said: "You are opening this thing up whether you like it or not."
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 09:12 am
This is interesting, in terms of what DO you do if you have an abcess?

Quote:
We encourage root canal therapy over extraction. Extractions can cause:

a great deal of trauma
pulling teeth may affect memory
a higher incidence of bacteremias, especially with heart patients, or if you are predisposed to bacterial endocarditis and/or joint infections.
Choosing to have a tooth extraction, whether than having root canal therapy, can release between 68% to 84% more bacteria into the blood stream which can affect your overall health.

Choosing a root canal over an extraction whenever possible is:

safer
less invasive
less expensive in the long run because an extracted tooth must be replaced with an implant or bridge which is far more costly and time-consuming.


http://www.dentalgentlecare.com/extraction.htm

It seems (thus far), like once you have an abcess/ whatever the thing that requires a root canal, that's where the problems start. You don't wanna have one. If you do, then any treatment has its risks but a root canal seems to be one of the less risky/ more effective options.

(Still looking.)
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 09:16 am
This is interesting (includes Australia, too), and seems to indicate that the failure rate is around 13%:

www.tarzahn.de/Timbuktu%20Methode/ Figdor%20editorial%20OOOO%202002.pdf

20 years of infection?!!

Eek.

I was very, very negative about dentists for a while after Mr. Quack, but the guy we had in Naperville for several years (he did the fillings then saw sozlet for the next couple of years) was an absolute dream.

My basic approach is distrust but verify.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2005 09:17 am
Grrr...damn teeth.

Thanks, Soz.
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